I was thinking of getting the Tein Basic Damper coilovers for my 90 crx si. I've heard from some that they sag, but others say they are great. What are your opinions?

 

what do you mean sag?

 

Like, they wear down easily. Or that they don't always stay stiff....and wear down....yeah.

 

VtecVoodoo works for Eibach and tested the springs from his Tein coilovers and said they experienced a significant amount of sag. Tein dampeners are great, but their springs are rather subpar.

 

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I'm not saying youi're lying.. but if a competitor was to praise the springs he'd get fired.

 

in this site ive only heard about vtecvodoo guy havin some bad experiences with tein.. other then that .. every1 says they are great .. go figure

i think they will sag with time .. i mean no suspension stays the same forever

 

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That's because barely anyone knows anything about suspension around here and they buy into all the "JDM bling" hype.

Tein Basics are the best way to waste $750. For $30 more, you can get Ground Control coilovers with custom spring rates and Koni Sport dampers.

 

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That's because barely anyone knows anything about suspension around here and they buy into all the "JDM bling" hype.

Tein Basics are the best way to waste $750. For $30 more, you can get Ground Control coilovers with custom spring rates and Koni Sport dampers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

have you use teins yourself??

 

I know all the magazines use nothing but Tein.

 

All I have to say is that Teins HQ is right here in SoCal (Paramount) and they are super good about backing up their products. Try getting any other overseas manufacturers to do the same.

 

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have you use teins yourself??</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why would I want to use a non-adjustable damper with shitty spring rates when for $30 more I can choose my own rates and have a superior adjustable damper that can be revalved and shortened if need be in the future?

Basics are crap.

 

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Why would I want to use a non-adjustable damper with shitty spring rates when for $30 more I can choose my own rates and have a superior adjustable damper that can be revalved and shortened if need be in the future?

Basics are crap. </TD></TR></TABLE>


thats bullshit.
you are right adjustable damper is the way to go but........
there is no way you can say a cheapy coilover setup is better than full coilovers
adjustable damper or not. think about it.... yoiur car isnt even compressed on the spring when one side lifts up. that is crap especially for RR. I say spend the extra 2-300 bucks and buy tein SS

 

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there is no way you can say a cheapy coilover setup is better than full coilovers
adjustable damper or not. think about it.... yoiur car isnt even compressed on the spring when one side lifts up. that is crap especially for RR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Come back and try to argue when you can make points that can actually matter. What you just said didn't even make any sense.

I would suggest you read up on the differences between a coilover sleeve and a so-called "full" coilover system. When you can tell me what the difference is, then we'll talk.

Tein SS still have crappy spring rates, and the adjustability on the damper has a narrow range. I personally wouldn't want to use anything less than the Tein RA, and those cost almost $1700.

 

Wow, I didn't expect this type of argument. It's very intriguing....

 

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Why would I want to use a non-adjustable damper with shitty spring rates when for $30 more I can choose my own rates and have a superior adjustable damper that can be revalved and shortened if need be in the future?

Basics are crap. </TD></TR></TABLE>

so if you havent used them.. how do u know they are low quality?? oh let me guess cuz HT says so?? i guess to each its own ..
i dont think its right tho that u say they are crap when u havent used them yourself..

so im guessin you are usin the GC coilover and the Koni struts.. is that correct?? for 730

i got my set of Basics when they just came out .. got them for a kool price of 600 plus free goodies .. so im happy

BTW rexus rick .. u might wanna look at this thread :

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=777453

 

personally i wouldnt get basic simply becuase there is no adjustment.. but that is just me and i'm still saving for my suspension set up..
o and i dont know anythign about teins saggin.. but i'm not saving up for teins.. mostly because they had rusting issues.. dont know if they still do tho ..

 

I would not get the Baisc simply because they are non adjustable, also you CANNOT even pick your own spring rates.

now the SS is another topic. they are 16way adjustable and they already come with great ideal spring rates according to the chassie weight, wheel base ect... And if you feel the need to get different springs you can always PRE-pick your desired spring rate which only very few people ever do.


GG & koni combo are proven... nuff said.
Tein are proven... PEROID....
the basic is more of a marketing plot to make the name brand "tein coilovers" cheaper to the market...


HTH

 

I agree. basic damper sucks. SS is only like 200 bucks more! 16 way adjustable cant beat that. too bad the edfc dosent work with it though

 

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so if you havent used them.. how do u know they are low quality?? oh let me guess cuz HT says so??</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, because I say so. Unlike the rest of the JDM-rice sheep around here, I am capable of thinking for myself.

I never said anything about quality. Tein suspension products are quality products. However the Basics are far overpriced for what limited functionality you do get. The spring rates are crappy, the dampers are not adjustable and they cannot handle spring rates much (if any) higher than what they come with. They are a silly JDM-bling product for people to waste their money on just to say they have Teins. All they're good for is setting your own ride height and cruising the boulevard - they are not a performance coilover system in any way.

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I chose the $780 (for CRX) Ground Controls with custom spring rates and Konis for my purpose-built autocross CRX over the overpriced, under-featured Tein Basics at $750, because I am actually interested in winning. Maybe that will tell you something . . . they are the best bang-for-the-buck performance setup out there, and thats why so many grassroots motorsports competitors use them.

With Ground Control I can choose the spring rates that I want, and I can buy springs with different rates if I am unsatisfied with the rates that I get; the Koni dampers have a lifetime warranty, will handle spring rates up to 600 lb-in as they come off-the-shelf, and I have the option to revalve and shorten them plus add compression-damping adjustability in the future if I ever need/want to. Having the Konis modified costs a good bit extra of course, but even then you end up with a completely custom, fully adjustable coilover system that is cheaper than a new set of Tein Flex or RAs. A good idea if you want to modify your Konis right from the get-go is to buy a blown set on eBay or in the H-T Classifieds, and send those in for the modifications. It is cheaper than buying a brand new set of Konis, and since Koni will be sending you back what is basically a new shock when they are done, it won't matter if you buy them blown.

JMHO.

 

thats all good tho .. props for you .. but since i dont race .. and i just cruise the boulevard .. ill stick with a nice affordable coilover system ..

 

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Ground Controls with soft spring rates and inexpensive dampers to match (such as KYB AGX if you're running rates less than 350 lb-in) are a slightly cheaper solution (around $670) than Tein Basics. You could go even cheaper by using non-adjustable Tokico Blues if you're running really soft rates . . .

 

After my experience with the S-Techs, I won't buy tein products again. My back end is sagging now, and I'm sure that part of it is due to the fact that Tein doesn't even make a set of springs for the EP3. Of course, that piece of information was conveniently left out when I bought them...

 

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Ground Controls with soft spring rates and inexpensive dampers to match (such as KYB AGX if you're running rates less than 350 lb-in) are a slightly cheaper solution (around $670) than Tein Basics. You could go even cheaper by using non-adjustable Tokico Blues if you're running really soft rates . . .</TD></TR></TABLE>

ive done the coilovers and the reg dampers .. and it doesnt last long .. after 2 months the shocks are gone .. and those tokicos are almost the same as the 15 dolar shocks u buy at autozone

 

i can get the SS for 800. i thinks thats gonna be my next upgrade. i had tein ss b4 in my ek they were nice

 

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What shocks were you using, and what spring rates? You can't leave out the most important details.

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If you're running soft enough spring rates, they are more than adequate.

I'm not trying to argue in favor of this setup, I'm just trying to see what is behind your logic.