which way do i turn my intake cam gear to advance it 3 degrees? do i turn to the left towards the exhaust side like when advancing the timing by turning the distributor cap?

 

Clockwise to advance and vice versa. Use this pic as an example...

 

the cam gear shows arrow for A (i assume this means advancing) to the left. so if i am looking at my cam gears i would turn the outter part to the left to advance then. you say turn it clockwise to advance. does that mean the inner part is turning clockwise and the outter part this the teeth on it are turning counterclockwise (turn to the left). is it the same as advancing the distributor cap?

 

Doesnt that pic show that advancing is counterclockwise??

 

When you adjust cam gears you move the inner sleeve, not the belt portion. So for your purpose you would loosen the bolts on the cam gear, put wrench on the cam gear bolt, move it towards the front of the car. So in actuality your moving the inner gear counterclockwise and the outer clockwise to advance.

To advance the distributor you turn it towards the firewall. Remember if you advance or retard your intake cam you need to go back with a timming gun to reset your distributor timming, as it will change when you move your cam gear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you adjust cam gears you move the inner sleeve, not the belt portion. So for your purpose you would loosen the bolts on the cam gear, put wrench on the cam gear bolt, move it towards the front of the car. So in actuality your moving the inner gear counterclockwise and the outer clockwise to advance.

To advance the distributor you turn it towards the firewall. Remember if you advance or retard your intake cam you need to go back with a timming gun to reset your distributor timming, as it will change when you move your cam gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>



He pretty much summed it up.

 

maybe it's just me, but I don't think you should be changing your cam gear settings- especially if you don't know which way they need to go

 

He is never going to learn unless he asks and tries; that is what this board is for.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WSG_buBble &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He is never going to learn unless he asks and tries; that is what this board is for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're right... he's never going to learn that making a slight adjustment on a cam gear when there isn't proper clearance will blow his motor- yes let's all just give him the generic answer to his question and not educate him on being correct so that he actually learns something- Not knowing if you have the clearance and not tuning this on the dyno equals trouble and wasted time. I for one can not even fathom why people have bought into this whole adjustable cam gear crap- degree the cams correctly and you won't need to cange the cam gears at all- Try again newb


Modified by advanracing62 at 11:53 AM 3/16/2004

 

How do you degree a cam in properly without using adjustable cam gears?? I know on my motor 0.0 is not degree'd in. In fact on my motor with Jun 4's 0.0 will make the valves hit. So without adjustable gears I wouldnt even be able to use them. (even though I havent used them yet)
I agree that if you don't know your clearance then you shouldn't be playing with the gears too much. But I disagree when you say they arent nessasary.(sp)

 

JUN can provide degree specs for you and your cams- search google for how to degree a cam and you'll get the basic idea. This will eliminate the need for any adjustment in the gears later down the road, AND provide you with the best optimal power point for your motor as per the manufacuter.

 

I was always under the impression that adjusting cam gears allowed you to change overlap / LSA , so you can alter where your powerband is in the rpm range.

How many engines really make the beefiest powerband with the cams set at 0,0 ?

 

mine did... come to think of it all of my motors lose power if the cams are changed from where I set them... funny eh?

 

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Dude your missing the point, you cant degree a cam in without adjustable gears(assuming its not a stock motor). I can tell by your reponces that you have never personally done this before. In order to set your opening and closing time you need to move the gears. Guess what happens when you mill a head or deck a block, your timming retards , now you tell me how to degree without adjusting the gears and I'll buy you dinner..........And for your info , Jun provides no degree spec for the stage 4 cams.

 

This is your comment I was responding too..
" for one can not even fathom why people have bought into this whole adjustable cam gear crap"


Modified by Tbone at 4:32 PM 3/16/2004

 

Thank you....I really don't understand the harshness on the board.

 

I'm taking my banter off this topic and to pm- sorry for the information

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm taking my banter off this topic and to pm- sorry for the information</TD></TR></TABLE>

you mean MISinformation??

 

typical HT crap.. ok well live in your little bubble- you'll learn eventually

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mine did... come to think of it all of my motors lose power if the cams are changed from where I set them... funny eh?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

The onyl way to change cam timing without Adjustable gears is offset keyways...

Noone ******* uses those on hondas.

Sidenote: A Few companies have come with adjustable cam gear for Domestic Cam-In-Block Motors. Pretty pimp ****...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Whip Factory &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The onyl way to change cam timing without Adjustable gears is offset keyways...

Noone ******* uses those on hondas.
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Thanks you!!!! I have been arguing with him on IM for hours now about this. You cannot degree a honda motor unless you HAVE adjustable cam gears.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I for one can not even fathom why people have bought into this whole adjustable cam gear crap- degree the cams correctly and you won't need to cange the cam gears at all- Try again newb
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well, i wouldn't be surprised if the use of them originated with the racers who were shaving there block and heads to gain some more compression but needed to degree the cam correctly. If you deck the block or mill the head you've effectively changed your cam timing and you need some way to correct that. Well, voila, adjustable cam gears allow you to do that!!

It's also a pretty effective tuning tool, it gives you another variable of adjustability. Unless you go really radical with the settings (watch out on those clearances) it usually just shifts the powerband around. I haven't tuned enough motors to really know but I don't think it's common to "lose" power, it's just been displaced.

Another thing to think about. Honda engineers saw some magic in this as they came up with the I-VTEC, which can change cam timing as much as +/-20 degress. That's a 40 degree range of adjustment! And they were actually last on the boat with this. Porsche beat them too it along with others. They must see some advantage in it. If you wanna argue with an entire industry that's doing it or "bought into it", be my guest. From my understanding it allows them to change cam timing on the fly so that they have power where they need it and adjust the powerband continously so no matter what rpm you're at, you're in the optimal powerband of the engine. I'm sure it is used as an aide to help with gas mileage, but can also make more power. But hey, if you think Porsche variocam isn't necessary, I guess we'll believe you over them!!

No need for the Newb comment.

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