Does anyone know if theres a law about a 5 point harness in illinois??

 

what kind of law?

 

5 point harnesses are not DOT approved so therefore they are illegal

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbanlegend21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5 point harnesses are not DOT approved so therefore they are illegal</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is stupid but true

 

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Which is stupid but true </TD></TR></TABLE>


no it is not, harnesses are deadly unless in a car with a roll cage or roll bar, which would have to be regulated by the DOT as well

if you were to rollover in a car with a harness and no roll over protection your head would be like a golf ball on a tee because your body would not move from the neck down

a regular seatbelt lets you move side to side and fall out of the way

in VA you can have a harness setup approved by an inspector on an individual basis

 

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no it is not, harnesses are deadly unless in a car with a roll cage or roll bar, which would have to be regulated by the DOT as well

if you were to rollover in a car with a harness and no roll over protection your head would be like a golf ball on a tee because your body would not move from the neck down

a regular seatbelt lets you move side to side and fall out of the way

in VA you can have a harness setup approved by an inspector on an individual basis</TD></TR></TABLE>

So how would a roll cage prevent your head from acting like a golf ball? You would still get tossed around roll cage or not..dont you think

 

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no it is not, harnesses are deadly unless in a car with a roll cage or roll bar, which would have to be regulated by the DOT as well

if you were to rollover in a car with a harness and no roll over protection your head would be like a golf ball on a tee because your body would not move from the neck down

a regular seatbelt lets you move side to side and fall out of the way

in VA you can have a harness setup approved by an inspector on an individual basis</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, the only thing that would really bang your head up without a rollcage would be the window or door sill. And even then, I think a 5 point harness would hold you in the seat better, not protect your head.

If you have a rollcage, then you should also have padding on the bars that are close enough to come in contact with your head.

Just sharing what I've learned from HT.

 

a 5 point harness can also break your neck or compress your spine if installed to an all stock street car (most of em at least).

you need a HIGH mouning point for hte 2 straps going over your shoulders. in a racae car you are required to have a bar going across the car behind the seat and you use that to mount the top straps.

http://www.sfifoundation.com/seatbelt.html has good info abou proper installation. to quote a few parts:

If the upper attachment point falls significantly below the driver's shoulder, then a spinal compression injury is likely to occur. In an accident situation, the shoulder belts pull down and back on the torso as they resist the forward motion of the driver. The resultant restraint force compresses the spinal column and will add to the stresses in the spine already caused by the force of the crash impact.

On the other hand, if the trailing ends of the harness are too far above the shoulder (greater than 30°), then two problems can occur. First, tension in the shoulder harness is increased and undue stress is applied to the harness and its structural attachments. Second, excessive angle will cause excessive motion. If the harness belts are too far above the shoulder, they will provide little resistance to forward motion of the driver's upper torso. The result is impact with the steering wheel and the possibility of neck injury. The shoulder straps should also be 3-6" apart behind the driver's neck to prevent slippage off the shoulders.

 

and there is a reason all race bodies that require a roll cage/bar also require a helmet due to head injuries from placing a hard steel tube near your head...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and there is a reason all race bodies that require a roll cage/bar also require a helmet due to head injuries from placing a hard steel tube near your head...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I repeat..<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bagged93accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So how would a roll cage prevent your head from acting like a golf ball? You would still get tossed around roll cage or not..dont you think</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

the roll cage doesnt prevent it, it makes it worse. your head getting otssed around ios bad enough but when it gets bounced from steel tube to steel tube it tends to shatter like an egg.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the roll cage doesnt prevent it, it makes it worse. your head getting otssed around ios bad enough but when it gets bounced from steel tube to steel tube it tends to shatter like an egg.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not exaclty.

you have to think like this..with the roll bar/cage, your harness is mounit different, not much difference right? nope, harness on street car without a cage=break your neck

 

roll cage in a street car is stupid and in most places illegal. any self respecting track will throw you off without a helmet if you have a cage.
a harness and cage that is designed to protect you in a rollover is going to be close enough to your head (unless you ar elike 5'2") that you may hit your head against it.
sure hte harness is not gonna break your neck if it is installed right but that still doesnt make it safe.

 

let the thread die.

 

hey man my buddy has a 2001 civic and we both live in illinois with a 5point harness and he hasnt been pulled over or told it was illegal or anything like that so id say its ok but still listen to all other replys you get.

 

not real sure what you guys experiencer with a race car setup is but let me try to explain this a little better

in a street car without a roll cage or roll bar if you were to flip over with harnesses on the car would compress on top of you and the only movement yo would have is in the neck so :snap: it breaks your neck

with regular belts you are allowed roll forward or off to the side in such a situation aloowing you to bend at the torso

with a race car the cage is there because the chance of rolling over is multiplied 100 times and extremely violent

they require a helmet not only for the roll cage, but also for fire protection, and projectile projection. A small rock in the passenger floorboard of a car can become a missle when sugjected to extreme G forces

all race organizations require a certain density foam padding around all roll cage bars that could be hit by a human extremity , especially the head

also think about tthe different forces when wearing a harness, since the neck is the pivot point when getting hit in the side your head snaps left and right violently, a helmet helps it from beng so violent, hans devices and such further that help

so lets put it together as a big equation:

rollcage in car = 4 pt or higher harness and helmet always required

no roll cage = no harness should be installed

 

Thanks for the clarification

 

what part of illinois are you from man
im from ofallon il about 20 min from st louis

 

I'm sure there are a few people who want a 5pt harness with their momo seats, because it looks good. However, for those who wants those seats for practical reasons, what seats are compatible with regular seatbelts?

Thanks