Hey guys, what do you guys think about this? Is it cheap and would you guys buy it? Hondata stage 3b used for about 3 months w/ some brand spanking new rc 800cc(somthing) injectors for obd1 cars? He's asking 700 for both items.

 

I think it's a good deal, but 800cc injectors are overkill on all but the craziest Honda motors.

 

Would you think 800cc injectors are too big for daily driven honda's?

 

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Unless you plan on making 600 horsepower, 800cc injectors are too big. Most daily driven turbo setups are using 440cc or 450cc injectors, and a lot of all motor cars aren't using anything bigger than about 310cc.

 

Yes i was planning on hitting the 500+ hp range. My goals are to at least run in the low 11 high 10's street trim.

 

800cc injectors may be too big on most street driven cars. With the Hondata, you have an injector multiplier you can play with and adjust a lot of the driveability issues out, however, will still probably run very rich and possibly cause rich misfires and may buck and surge on accel on a setup that may not be able to use this much injector.

However, $700 is a pretty good deal for everything considering a Hondata stage 3b alone is now in upwards of of $795.

You could get the whole setup and use just the Hondata with existing injectors and either resell injectors or keep them until you have a setup that may require them.

Also, I know that our daily driven shop car is running 83 lb. injectors (870cc on turbo motor) and that a lot of the engines we have built and tuned are using anything from 310cc-600cc injectors on daily driven rides with no adverse driveability.

Just saying that large injectors can be used on daily driven cars. And depending on your fuel management, in order to hit those types of HP numbers, 800 cc injectors may be needed in order to keep from taxing too small of injectors with too much duty cycle (personally recommend max injector duty cycle of no more than 75%-80% on big turbo motors to have almost no possibility of injector flutter under load)

Just my 2 cents though...

 

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If you realistically think you'll be able to reach those goals, then yes I'd go for it. But also note that very few people try and run that kind of horsepower on the street and there's a reason. It's very difficult to control a car that powerful in traffic.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondatim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">800cc injectors may be too big on most street driven cars. With the Hondata, you have an injector multiplier you can play with and adjust a lot of the driveability issues out, however, will still probably run very rich and possibly cause rich misfires and may buck and surge on accel on a setup that may not be able to use this much injector.

However, $700 is a pretty good deal for everything considering a Hondata stage 3b alone is now in upwards of of $795.

You could get the whole setup and use just the Hondata with existing injectors and either resell injectors or keep them until you have a setup that may require them.

Also, I know that our daily driven shop car is running 83 lb. injectors (870cc on turbo motor) and that a lot of the engines we have built and tuned are using anything from 310cc-600cc injectors on daily driven rides with no adverse driveability.

Just saying that large injectors can be used on daily driven cars. And depending on your fuel management, in order to hit those types of HP numbers, 800 cc injectors may be needed in order to keep from taxing too small of injectors with too much duty cycle (personally recommend max injector duty cycle of no more than 75%-80% on big turbo motors to have almost no possibility of injector flutter under load)

Just my 2 cents though...

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Thanks for such good information, i never really tried using such high cc's of injectors and wouldnt know the outcome untill i really test it out for myself. I was maybe even thinking about getting something in the 600cc range?

 

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If you realistically think you'll be able to reach those goals, then yes I'd go for it. But also note that very few people try and run that kind of horsepower on the street and there's a reason. It's very difficult to control a car that powerful in traffic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes im pretty much aware that anything beyond 400+ hp is kinda difficult to control on the streets. Im not planning to drive the car daily, and not planning to leave boost higher than 12 lbs. it's kinda like a weekend car for me.

 

I would stick with the 800cc injectors if you really want to produce this much HP. It'd be pretty easy to max out 600cc injectors pushing this much HP.

 

Also, here's a list of my set up...tell me if it's going to be possible to run the times that i've expected and what else is needed? What size injectors should be perfect for me w/ my following set ups? What would be the next on this list if this was what you guys had?

b18c bottom
CP pistons 9:5-1 comp
crower rods
darton 81.5 sleevs w/ copper o'ring'd
stock gsr head
stock OEM gsr injectors
all type r valvetrains
ctr intake cams and gsr exhaust cams
skunk2 intake manifold
type r trottle body
t3/60-1 turbo w/ a stage 5 turbine wheel.

 

depends on amount of boost you want to comfortably run on this setup, but 800cc injectors would be fine with what you have listed with boost pressures probably up to 16lbs to 18lbs without taxing fuel injectors.

1 question though, are you going with Hondata stage3b just because of the price you're getting or have you thought about an S200 system on a P72 or P30 ECU?

this may be a cheaper route if you're worried about cost. PM me if you'd like more info. I may be able to get S200 chipped with ECU and 800cc+ injectors all new for possibly same price or maybe less and just ship to you.

Let me know

 

Yeah, but the 3b doesnt have that little hick-up that they havent been able to fix yet on the s200 right?

 

hick up? hmm...now its making me think twice now....what is that anyways? some kind of defect that hondata cant fix?

 

Wow, don't know of any hickups with S200's. We've installed and tuned numerous S200's with no adverse side effects or 'hickups' that we can recall. I wonder if tuning may have been a factor with these other issues. Either something not quite right with maps or parameters, or not quite right with set up.

Again, don't know of any hickups with S200.

If anybody else has any info in regards to these issues, please, elaborate...

Would like to know what you're experiencing