Ok .. Osaka JDM Motors, the only engine place that called me back (and they do have the H23vtec in stock .. )

Offered to sell me H22 LSD tranny, P13 ODB1 ECU, and H23A Vtec (blue valve cover) engine for $2800 said and done.

What he did say, is that because the H23AVtec was an automatic, that with the 5speed it would only put out 195 HP as opposed to 200? ..

So, im sure this applies to the H22 as well .. What is the difference in the block itself that causes the power loss?

 

the bare h23 and h22 closed deck blocks are all the same. they only differ by the stamp on the front. this i say when they are COMPLETELY bare. and regaurdless of wether you put an auto or manual tranny on that motor it shouldn't effect the power at the crank. thought the difference will be the power at the wheels.

edit: oh yeah, and i have heard SO many bad thinks about osaka , do a search, ask around .. they have made a bad rep for themselves.

 

That sounds like a good deal to me but I would be carefull.

 

I am aware of Osaka's past and the many negative things said about them, I am a smart shopper and will solidly lay down any grounds and threaten refused payment and COD shipment back if I"m unsatisfied providing I choose to go this route .. BUT

the main thing I need to know about is if its true or not about the H22/H23 block and auto/std differences ... I really did not think the transmission would make any difference ... Now unless he's talking out of his *** ... this just doesn't make sense what would be different about the crank/internals for the different tranny ..

 

the internals of the engine shouldn't be any different than a manual. hes talking out of his ***. im almost 100% sure, unless someone proves me other wise. when you have a manual there is a flywheel that bolts to the crank and the clutch bolts to the flywheel and tranny attaches. on an auto there is a lightweight disk that is bolted to the crank, and then the torque converter is bolted to that, then the tranny slides is.

if the internals/ or anything for a motor were different between a 5 speed and an auto, do you think so many people would be able to do it? ask him specifically why it would put out lesss horse power as the CRANK because its and auto. and it souldn't even matter because there is no h23vtec that came with a stick

 

thats what I'm thinking unless the guy got confused and thought I wanted to use an AUTO ecu .. which would explain the power loss but .. really now he's gotta have more sense than to think that.

I'll check my helms tonight anyways just to be certain that all the parts are the same up until the tranny..

 

Yeah with a manuel ecu and trans you should not lose power. Do it man it really seams like it'll be cool. Good luck have fun and be safe!

 

Does anyone know if a H23 crank and rods would fit into a H22A4 ?? I have a H22 with a spun bearing and was considering dropping in H23 internals... Anyone have any info or viewpoints ??

 

^ yes it can, look for hybrid or h23vtec in other posts .. H23 Crank/Rods/Pistons with new bearrings will fit into an H22 block and create the H23A Vtec engine ...

Make sure you have no bent valves when you do this too .. , bend the oil squirters out of the way because the crank won't clear them (the oil squirters still will be functional) just bend w/ screwdriver.


An update on the above, I wrote Osaka again and said what did you say again that it would loose power ? .. then the answer changed and buddy said its just some peoples opionion, the setup you inquired on won't loose any power with a manual tranny on the H23a block. *shrug* ..

3800 CDN .. boy,if my luck changes thats what I'll be doin.

 

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not 100% true yohan

like i said in the other post : it matters what year h22a4 block..

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Honda of Japan never made a stock H23a VTEC to myknowledge (never in 3yrs of looking at auction hondas seen one)

Auto tranny has more tranmission losses than manual because of all the auto-clutches in them.

Blocks are the same except auto doesnt have a normal flywheel.

You should see MORE power at the wheels changing from an auto to a manual tranny.

Is it supposed to be a JDM then?

 

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yes they did, check Joels thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555

also i have seen many of these motors for sale , well not many but ive seen them around, they are expensive. and the h23a vtec only came in an auto version.

 

There is one floating around on Ebay for $3000ish .. no bids ever, shows blue valve cover .. comes w/ auto triptonic transmission and ECU, its an ODB2 out of the Accord SiR-T wagon.

prelittlude: thx for the info on the crank journals , that I did not know.

 

Wow; I knew none on ludse but H23a VTEC on an Accord that is nice!

 

yah the accord sir-T sportier wagon

200hp factory H23VTEC

and yes, it was only avalible with automatic.

great for just dropping in a new motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yohan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am aware of Osaka's past and the many negative things said about them, I am a smart shopper and will solidly lay down any grounds and threaten refused payment and COD shipment back if I"m unsatisfied providing I choose to go this route .. BUT

the main thing I need to know about is if its true or not about the H22/H23 block and auto/std differences ... I really did not think the transmission would make any difference ... Now unless he's talking out of his *** ... this just doesn't make sense what would be different about the crank/internals for the different tranny ..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoa hold up...what have u heard from Osaka Motors? cause I was thinking about ordering my GSR swap from them? and I can get my swap for like 3,275.00 thats with the shiftlinkage and shipping not unless somebody can tell me where I can get one cheaper including Motor Mounts and Axles