Car Overboosting In Cold Weather

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 04:24 AM
  #1  
TurboTony's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
From: Port St. Lucie, Fl, U.S.A.
Default Car Overboosting In Cold Weather

Is it common when its colder outside for a car to over boost? Because I believe mine is doing it.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 04:59 AM
  #2  
99lspwr's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,946
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle, DE, us
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (TurboTony)

anytime the air is denser, you may tend to boost a pound or two higher...
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 07:24 AM
  #3  
Sohc Driver's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 2
From: McKinney, TX, USA
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (99lspwr)

here's another guess...can't cold conditions make the spring in the wastegate stiffer? Reasons i came up with this idea is because particles tend to move slower in cold conditions..thus making the spring less maleable or should i say less flexible? I dunno..someone tell me if I am off track.

Khoi
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 07:47 AM
  #4  
4U2NV's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,941
Likes: 0
From: DF Dub, TX, USA
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (Sohc Driver)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sohc Driver &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here's another guess...can't cold conditions make the spring in the wastegate stiffer? Reasons i came up with this idea is because particles tend to move slower in cold conditions..thus making the spring less maleable or should i say less flexible? I dunno..someone tell me if I am off track.

Khoi</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that's definitely a possibility, but not a probability... It's boost spiking becuase colder air is more dense, therefore more air molecules make it into the turbo to be compressed, thus more volume of air...
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 09:37 AM
  #5  
rocket256's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 727
Likes: 0
From: Racer Ave., Ga., US
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (4U2NV)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4U2NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think that's definitely a possibility, but not a probability... It's boost spiking becuase colder air is more dense, therefore more air molecules make it into the turbo to be compressed, thus more volume of air... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 02:01 PM
  #6  
Sohc Driver's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,408
Likes: 2
From: McKinney, TX, USA
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (4U2NV)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4U2NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think that's definitely a possibility, but not a probability... It's boost spiking becuase colder air is more dense, therefore more air molecules make it into the turbo to be compressed, thus more volume of air... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think both theories are correct. But if you think about it...particles contract and are closer together thus making the spring "stiffer" ehh well...
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 02:25 PM
  #7  
TurboR1391's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,622
Likes: 3
From: Tallahassee, Florida
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (99lspwr)

Yeah it's common. When I was in Kentucky I my controller was set a 1 bar. On very cold nights it would read 1.2 bar.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 04:00 PM
  #8  
Lucky_Smurf's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 416
Likes: 0
From: UT, USA
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (TurboR1391)

It's very common and here's a pretty good theory. When the trubo is charging the air it's taking a certain volume of air at a given temperature. Since were talking cold temps you will see denser air being pushed. As this air moves through the system it's heated and expands making for more psi. Now why doesn't the spring see this and compensate? Because the expansion is happening right at the manifold and by the time the spring is reading the pressure the air has already cooled. Thus causing higher psi at the manifold and lower psi at the spring. You will also see some "stiffening" effect of the spring but not that much. The combination of the two causes more boost in colder air.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 05:50 PM
  #9  
4sdB20's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (Lucky_Smurf)

wouldn't colder outside temps make for better IC efficiency? this would make the air denser than normal and you would get more air in the cylinders where the heat would expand it creating much greater exhaust pressures. your WG works of the denser charge in the IM not the exploded exhaust charge so it wouldn't know until to late. WGs open only when you overboost otherwise they are closed. it's simple physics and makes sense in my head but maybe I am not conveying it well
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003 | 10:46 PM
  #10  
Lucky_Smurf's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 416
Likes: 0
From: UT, USA
Default Re: Car Overboosting In Cold Weather (4sdB20)

No your exactly right.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
CHu Chu
Honda Accord (1990 - 2002)
2
May 17, 2009 08:15 PM
EK_B
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
12
Jul 23, 2007 05:08 PM
tagperformance
Forced Induction
32
Jun 29, 2007 03:33 PM
RedR
Forced Induction
5
Mar 20, 2006 02:18 PM
PA MATT
Forced Induction
5
Nov 5, 2004 08:23 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:40 AM.