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double duece or ITR?? the single slammer has got to go.

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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:45 PM
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Default double duece or ITR?? the single slammer has got to go.

ok well, i need a new motor. not that there is anything wrong with my D16y8, but its just not cutting it. my boyfriend is going to be stroking his LS/VTEC to 2.1 liters, so i need a motor so i can at least stay somewhat close to him. now, i know the ITR is a screamer, but i drive a 96 ex, and i want something that will have great drivability. something with enough torque to just pull me around town when im not in vtec. but also, i want a motor that will give my boyfriend (and his buddies) a run for their money. so, H22 or ITR? and dont suggest a GSR motor, they all seem to be high milage around here, and everyone has a GSR swap, so with a gsr motor ill be just like everyone else.

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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:46 PM
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ill still be faster baby!!!!! i love you!!!


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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngryBlackSedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ill still be faster baby!!!!! i love you!!!


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DOH!

Are you planning to leave both motors pretty much stock? Or build them up? Bolt ons? Etc?
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:51 PM
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itr will not be that much faster just pretty to look at and good to have if your gonna keep it stock. it would be cheaper for you to get an h22. the only problem that i think you will have is that the engine is a little heavier so you will have a little more understeer then usual..
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:55 PM
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shes planning on mostly keeping it stock, intake, header, exhaust and maybe some other extra bolt ons. i think she should do an H22, i think she'll be faster that way.


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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:01 PM
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If it was my car and my decision, I'd go ITR with Toda B's and the bolt on's. Plenty of great midrange for the street, and excellent pull for throttle blasts. The tranny/fd is excellent for the street, especially when compared to the H22's tranny. But that's just me. Are you planning on using power steering with the swap?
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:03 PM
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B20 with a S1 and bolt on's. I torque.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:04 PM
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go fast in straight lines: h22 go fast around turns: b18c5
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OpTiX619 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go fast in straight lines: h22 go fast around turns: b18c5</TD></TR></TABLE>

<FONT SIZE="9">HERE WE GO AGAIN</FONT>
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steph1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok well, i need a new motor. not that there is anything wrong with my D16y8, but its just not cutting it...and i want something that will have great drivability. something with enough torque to just pull me around town when im not in vtec. ...so, H22 or ITR?</TD></TR></TABLE>

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA

You're funny.

Why don't you not swap a motor and put a greddy turbo kit on. Get a BOV, I/C...turn the boost up to about 10psi...you'll run circles around you're boyfriends "crazy" 14.7 second LSVTEC
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA

You're funny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats why i said B20 with bolt ons.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:40 PM
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i suggested that to her. she doesnt want to go forced induction. shes loved my boosted teg, but she said it wasnt for her. she wants a dual cam motor that not to many people have that will smoke all the boys. and btw greddy turbo kits suck unless u like paying like $600 for chrome piping. "turbo kits" are a waste of money. peice together ur own and save money and make more power. oh, and B20 boy, she wants vtec, shes not gonna downgrade from a vtec motor to a non vtec one. and yes, i said DOWNGRADE.


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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

..you'll run circles around you're boyfriends "crazy" 14.7 second LSVTEC</TD></TR></TABLE>


not with 12:1 compression and skunk2 cams she wont


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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngryBlackSedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i suggested that to her. she doesnt want to go forced induction. shes loved my boosted teg, but she said it wasnt for her. she wants a dual cam motor that not to many people have that will smoke all the boys. and btw greddy turbo kits suck unless u like paying like $600 for chrome piping. "turbo kits" are a waste of money. peice together ur own and save money and make more power. oh, and B20 boy, she wants vtec, shes not gonna downgrade from a vtec motor to a non vtec one. and yes, i said DOWNGRADE.

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A B20z is not downgrading.
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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Default Re: double duece or ITR?? the single slammer has got to go. (AngryBlackSedan)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngryBlackSedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i suggested that to her. she doesnt want to go forced induction. shes loved my boosted teg, but she said it wasnt for her. she wants a dual cam motor that not to many people have that will smoke all the boys. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah because ITR swaps and H22 swaps are so rare. Nobody has those.

What's this "I wanna be original" ****? YOU DRIVE A HONDA. IT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY BY MANY PEOPLE. THANKS DRIVE THRU.

Either way, go H22 or ITR, sounds like all you're doing is street racing anyway, so either one will win a few and lose a few.
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:24 PM
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You should go with the ITR swap. It is a pretty straight forward swap. If you go with the H22 you will probably run into shift cable problems and you have to cut the pass side mount bracket out of the car to bolt the H22 kit in place. This means if you ever decide to get rid of the car somebody gets a H swap instead of a single cam. A friend of mine has a 93 vx hatch with a b16, 4-1 header, and catback. He ran a 14.8 on slicks. Another buddy has a H22 in his hatch and he only ran a 15.3 with the same mods. So see, if the b16 is faster then the R swap will be even faster. GO ITR!!!
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:27 PM
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I've seen an ITR hatch run a stock h22 hatch (both stock) down at the local street races, the itr hatch ALWAYS wins, and then i saw a few videos on here. ITR hb always wins. :-P then agian there was tahe built ls vtec that spanked him...
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:32 PM
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answer to all your problems
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:39 PM
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everyone already has done whatever engine you decide so dont try to be origional just get what you can afford. i mean i would say h22.
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silverware &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A friend of mine has a 93 vx hatch with a b16, 4-1 header, and catback. He ran a 14.8 on slicks. Another buddy has a H22 in his hatch and he only ran a 15.3 with the same mods. So see, if the b16 is faster then the R swap will be even faster. GO ITR!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

H22 swapped EGs run 13s in this neck of the woods, mate.
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 02:50 PM
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If you have $$$ why not get the ITR, it cost more for a reason
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 03:01 PM
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Default Re: double duece or ITR?? the single slammer has got to go. (AngryBlackSedan)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngryBlackSedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i suggested that to her. she doesnt want to go forced induction. shes loved my boosted teg, but she said it wasnt for her. she wants a dual cam motor that not to many people have that will smoke all the boys. and btw greddy turbo kits suck unless u like paying like $600 for chrome piping. "turbo kits" are a waste of money. peice together ur own and save money and make more power. oh, and B20 boy, she wants vtec, shes not gonna downgrade from a vtec motor to a non vtec one. and yes, i said DOWNGRADE.


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I would say part of her problem is getting false information from you. Especially if you think the B20 is a downgrade on the little pisser single slammer.

So what.. You think you might actually see low 14's with your high compression and cams? Whoooopty!
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 03:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HATCHingMN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have $$$ why not get the ITR, it cost more for a reason </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah it costs more cuz its bling factor and demand factor, just like JDM ish. if u dont care about a little labor and cuttin mounts...H22
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silverware &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Another buddy has a H22 in his hatch and he only ran a 15.3 with the same mods. So see, if the b16 is faster then the R swap will be even faster . GO ITR!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm all for the ITR swap, but this is a little misleading. Theoretically, there's no way the B16 should be running that much faster than the H22. Seeing that his friend ran a low 15 with 2.2 hatch, makes me think either he didn't have a solid/correct running swap, or the driver was lacking skill.
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