i have 94+ Teg brakes (including the Teg proportioning valve) all the way around on my EG. basically stock except for some Hawk HP pads. but i am still using the stock DX brake booster and master cylinder, along with Motul brake fluid. 5.1 or 6.1, i can't remember off hand. it's the non-silicone stuff. system was bled properly twice, still the same.

so it leads me to my problem/question: the brake pedal is still kinda mushy and seems to go down farther than it should. i originally had just the front Teg brakes on with the stock rear drums, and the pedal pressure and distance was pretty good. but now with the Teg pro. valve and rear brake setup on, it isn't as firm.
also feels like the rear brakes aren't gripping properly, as if the calipers aren't providing enough pressure onto the pad/rotor. the nose dives more than it used to when i brake hard. i thought maybe it was air in the brake lines, but i bled the system completely in sequence at least 2 times since the rear setup went on.
no leaks anywhere.

so would the Teg brake booster and master cylinder solve this problem?
or does it seem like some other component is the culprit?

TIA for any helpful input on this.

 

i also upgraded my brakes
i have ex calipers and discs and teg rs rear discs
i upgraded my brake booster and master cylinder to a 94 civic ex
the master cylinder is the same as the si and is the same size as the gsr and it is easier to install
but you must upgrade the booster because the bolt pattern on the gsr and ex MS are the opposite of a stock dx
if you have any questions e-mail me at dirtydan463@aol.com


in all reality this is a very easy thing to do since you already have some know how

 

ok, thanks for the reply.

i'm sure the installation process shouldn't be a problem.
i was mainly concerned about how much of a difference the Booster and M.C. would make. i guess it's worth it to upgrade to get the proper performance out of my brake swap. i may hit you up if i have any other questions etc.

 

no problem
any time

 

Don't be too quick to get the 15/16ths. I would hold
out for the 1" if I had to pay for one. It comes on
CTR, some GSRs, and the SI but the SI is abs so that
wont work. Just look for a GSR 1" MC. I love mine.

 

if you go to a parts stor and ask for a ms for a gsr they will give you a ms identicalto an ex only with the rear line on the 10 o'clock position instead of the three o'clock position
but the thing is that i have also seen a 1" for a gsr
but they all bolt up to an ex brake booster
so it doesn't really matter
same principal as the ex swap mew line location thats all

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirty_d_cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you go to a parts stor and ask for a ms for a gsr they will give you a ms identicalto an ex only with the rear line on the 10 o'clock position instead of the three o'clock position
but the thing is that i have also seen a 1" for a gsr
but they all bolt up to an ex brake booster
so it doesn't really matter
same principal as the ex swap mew line location thats all</TD></TR></TABLE>

They don't bolt up to the civic booster... at least mine wouldn't have...

the only 15/16ths that bolts to a stock booster is the 87 civic one that b18c5-eh2 found out about... (not sure it's 87 but I'll find the thread and link to it in a minute).

I have a 15/16ths from a 93 teg RS non-abs... with it's booster... it would have bolted to the stock booster... UPSIDEDOWN...

Oh and the beauty of the 15/16ths is no line bending... it just bolts up in that respect... the 1" requires line bending... not the biggest deal in the world but... I did mine at the same time as the rear-disk conversion so I didn't want to deal with another hicup.

*edit*

here's a link to the x brakes on y car thread....

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=152884

And this is a quote from b18c5-eh2...

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***IMPORTANT***

You MUST have an Integra booster in order to run an Integra master cylinder! Although the lines fit perfectly on the Intgegra RS mastercylinder, no Integra master cylinder will bolt up to the CIVIC brake booster. Get the Integra booster and you will have to run an Integra master cylinder too.

Integra RS master cylinder. The base model RS Integra had NO ABS so the lines match up PERFECT with any non-abs Civic - which most of you have. I have done this in my own car and it truly bolts in.

The Integra master cylinder is a 15/16th whgile the Civic non-abs uses a smaller 13/16th master cylinder.
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*/edit*

 

I'd go with a 1" MC/Booster from a GSR as well. You can buy a double flared line from Advance Auto and bend it up with a beer bottle if you are squeemish about messing up the stock line by bending it twice. It is cheap and easy so there is no reason not to go 1".

Ben

 

wrong
a gsr and rs master cylinder will bolt right up to
a civic ex 4-door (92-95) brake booster
the bolt pattern is identical to an integra
any other model of civic is the opposite if integra
but i will have to agree with the few statements before
go with the 1" ms and the larger brake booster of the integra
because you will have better brake performance
i should have done this but i went half assed with a 15/16 ms and
the next step down brake booster from a gsr

go with gsr
when you bend the new brake line you will also need a
different size fitting for the line
go to a junkyard and grab one off of a gsr or
92-95 civic ex 4 door and to re-flare the end of the tubing
pep-boys sells a very effective double flaring tool for
about 15 dollars

may the brake force be with you

 

hey thanks for all the replies concerning the booster and MC.

there's quite a bit of info, so let me get it all straight before looking for the parts.
i would definantly prefer the 1" over the 15/16" even though it's a very slight difference. i just want to clarify a few things.

from what i read before the CTR, ITR and some GSR's have that 1" MC, but none bolt up directly w/o modification. is this true or do any of the 1" MC's bolt up to a 92-95 non-ABS Civic?

if they need to be flared differently i can get a tool for that?

and if i get the booster and MC seperate, then which ones can i pair together?
example: 4 door 92-95 EX booster with one of the 1" MC's?

thanks again everyone for the input so far, it has helped.

 

first of all you have to get a booster from any integra or civic ex w/abs

second it is better to pair the booster with the master cylinder that originally mounted to it for the best performance

and yes you will need to get a special flaring tool
it is called a double flaring tool
(it makes the flare a double walled flare, they seat better and are more reliable than a conventional flare)
they retail for about 15.oo at pep boys

your best bb/ms combo would be type r
or a step down is gsr
or you can go mad crazy and get wilwood$$$$$$$$$

(i am about to convert mine to type r so go for the gusto and get the best first and be happy)

 

alright. not sure about GSR MC's being 1", i thought they were all 15/16ths.

Trust me, 15/16th's is plenty.

I've posted this about a 100 times now and had posted it way before b18c5-eh2 did. Brian from Fastbrakes is the one that told me about it 2 years ago.

Get the MC from a 91 Civic 4 door that had the 1.6 engine. It bolts right up to the stock civic booster and the lines mate right up, no bending or flaring needed.

I went to an autozone and got a rebuilt one. I returned my stock civic DX one as the core. Voila! Rebuilt MC for about $55.

s

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright. not sure about GSR MC's being 1", i thought they were all 15/16ths.

Trust me, 15/16th's is plenty.

I've posted this about a 100 times now and had posted it way before b18c5-eh2 did. Brian from Fastbrakes is the one that told me about it 2 years ago.

Get the MC from a 91 Civic 4 door that had the 1.6 engine. It bolts right up to the stock civic booster and the lines mate right up, no bending or flaring needed.

I went to an autozone and got a rebuilt one. I returned my stock civic DX one as the core. Voila! Rebuilt MC for about $55.

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yeah that's my next project I plan to use the 15/16th from the 91 4-door ex civic too.

 

you know you can adjust the mc you have now to adjust when the brakes take affect?
there is a lock nut on the shaft of the MC rod that can be adjusted. i did that and it worked fine, even though it only works on my front brakes

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeHatchH22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you know you can adjust the mc you have now to adjust when the brakes take affect?
there is a lock nut on the shaft of the MC rod that can be adjusted. i did that and it worked fine, even though it only works on my front brakes</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the replies.

LudeHatch, care to explain a bit more about the adjustment you're talking about?
did this make a difference? just on the front brake swap setup?

 

yeah if you look under your dash by thebrake pedal, you see a threaded rod that goes from the brake pedal to the mc. it has a lock bolt and adjuster bolt on it. So just adjust is out, that way yoour getting more fluid in the MC
go take a look at it