Im posting this in the Integra forum because I want advice from you teg guys. I also am going to post this in the forced induction forum because I want advice from the guys who are knowledgable about turbo's (aka experience)
Alright this is going to be long winded but its something I need good advice and knowledgable advice on. I really don't want any responses that say stay N/A, or go Turbo. I just want a good response explaining some things and also stating some facts. Thanks for going through and reading, and yes I know there multiple people who posts things about this. But i've actually been searching through the forced induction forum for about 2 months now learning some basics and I am serious about it. I've also got an uncle who is an absolute genius with car stuff and can put the entire kit on for me and make sure everything is running perfect. I also have the next 5-6 months where the car is going to be garaged. In this time I will have the kit installed and all my all motor parts that I dont need for the turbo sold. This also means as soon as the turbo kit goes onto the car it will be sent to a tuner. Ill do every little thing to the kit to make it perfectly reliable and whatever I need to do ill come up with the cost for it. I won't run the car unless its near perfect (its my daily driver and my only car).


Here is my setup and everything that is on the car. From this list could someone list everything I "wouldn't" need for a turbo setup. Also, if you can, could you give me a quote on what kind of price I could get for the part in the market. Because I am going to sell everything to make the money for the kit (or whatever money I can get).

I had a few questions about the head. I have DPR Stage 6 headwork, not only is there a P n P done to the head but its also been flow benched, etc and the compression is raised from the headwork. Now obviously compression is something I don't want for my turbo setup. Would it be wise to sell the head and pick up a different head? In that case which head would I want to get? I stock GSR head again or what? This is one of the things I wanted to know.

Another thing I should probably look into would be selling my ITR tranny. Its got a 4.785 Final Drive and a Kaaz LSD that was properly broken into the car just a few thousand miles back. The tranny is in perfect condition so what could I get for it? with all those parts included....or should I sell those things seperate from the tranny?

Toda header probably has to go. Something I could get some good money for aswell.

Well enough of me just going on and on. Ill let you guys chime in and see what you think. Im open to any suggestions and also open to all opinions. I want to know what you guys think honestly. I've obviously gotten some very good power out of my all motor setup, but maybe its time for a change and get some more power out of the car. I want to make this as reliable as possible. I would probably get a Greddy or Revhard kit. I haven't really checked into that much about these turbo kits but I hear the Greddy is a bolt on kit that comes with everything for around 3k. Now with that considered. How much power can they push out? Running on a safe and streetable PSI that is reliable. Ill think of more things as the post develops and people start to comment. Thanks again for everything!

Here is my setup:
Power Mods:
DPR Stage 6 Headwork
Type R Cams
Toda header 4-2-1
Skunk 2 manifold
Type R CAI
Kakimoto 70mm exhaust
Carsound Cat

Tuning Device:
Apex-i VAFC

Other Mods:
Fidanza Flywheel
Exedy clutch
B&M short shifter
Underdrive pulley

Valvetrain:
Oversized ceramic coated valves
titanium retainers
ITR valvesprings
Titanium V-TEC cross-over pins

Transmission:
ITR tranny
JDM 4.785 FD
Kaaz 1.5 Way LSD

Suspension:
Koni double adjustable shocks
Neuspeed springs
front and rear sway bars

I've also got STR cam gears, and an ECU that hasn't been touched yet.

I was also thinking Hondata s200......

 

advice needed

 

Figure out your compression ratio, if its not too high then just keep your head work. I would also keep your itr tranny since it has the lsd already in it, sell your header and start putting together your turbo kit! Once you get everything lemme know id be willing to give you a hand putting everything in Pat.

 

first thing, don't buy a kit. If you are looking to make a lot of power, a lot of the parts a kit has will either be trashed or upgraded. Also more power = bigger injectors and thus no vafc. If you have access to a good hondata tuner, thats your best bet.. If you do decide to get it all done and done the right way, get your piping, bov, wastgate, manifold(full-race or lovefab), precision sc61(arturbo), oil lines and all fittings needed(flamenco-t), 3"exhaust(kteller8), and the hondata s200. I am assuming you have upgraded your fuel pump and you would want bigger injectors as well. With that your over 400hp. As for the prices on the parts, you can Im these guys here on honda-tech and order your stuff. That way your guaranteed to get the right parts and you don't have to buy a kit. Its all in what you wanna spend. I myself bought a kit way back and wish I hadn't cause I have replaced nearly everything in the kit with something larger or more reliable/powerful....hence no fmu, new wastegate, new downpipe, need bigger turbo. Spend it now or spend it later, but you will spend it.

 

Thanks for the advice.

I am looking at a street setup that is around 250-300whp. I am definately not looking for 400whp, even though that would be great. I am looking to go as reliable as possible and still make good power.

If I am going to go the route you just suggested then what exactly is everything I am going to need for the kit? Because if I am going to put it together piece by piece then I am going to get the most reliable/good power stuff out there. As long as its not too high in price. I'd like to spend at the most around 3g's or so. Im sure you guys know what ballpark I am in and what I am looking for. This is my only car and basically its only driven sparingly because I don't need to use it that much. I have people that can do the engine work so I don't need to worry at all about paying for the install. So the kit is the only price I am looking at. Maybe a list of parts I would need and what I am looking to pay for everything would be better if you guys think piecing one together is the best route.

thanks again.

 

Well if you go ahead and get a few "better" parts you can easily attain 400hp which you will probably want to later on

Here's a list minus any engine work.

Intercooler piping 2.25 or 2.5

Greddy Type S or R bov (might fine one on HT for cheap) otherwise as high as $190-$200..Can be found cheaper though.

Tial wastegate $175

Exhaust manifold can run you anywhere from $300 - $800 depending on what you want to spend and quality.

Turbo---precision sc61--not sure on price. IM arturbo he can help you out there. Anyone know what they go for?

Downpipe and exhaust complete and welded around $600 for a 3" setup. Kteller8 sells the piping kits online.

Injectors....Bite the bullet and get 660's or 720's. I bought greddys cause they are cheaper than RC buy a good margin but I did have to use a resistor pack. They were about 150 a piece for the 660's.

Fuel rail----$120 or around there.

Hondata s200 --- Not sure on the current price on it. Check hondata.com for the price. You also need a chipped ecu and a harness. The money goes up on the tuning. Price depends on the tuner. I have seen $400 to tune it and also have seen $800 to tune it. Some also charge per hour.

Intank fuel pump $150

Stainless feed line and oil drain line and fittings.

If you shop around I am sure you can get a cheaper price online or a hookup on here. You should be able to do this for 3000. Just be patient and shop around. Thats my basic setup and I drive my car daily to and from work everyday. It is my only car.

 

Thanks Double121:

I have a 2.5" carsound cat and a 70mm Kakimoto exhaust (i think thats around 2.67" or so, not sure of the mm to inches).
I already have that installed on the car. Would I necessarily have to get rid of this because this could save me a good amount of money because its already installed, already good size piping.

What do you suggest about my head? I am thinking sell the ITR cams and put my GSR cams back in there. Thats if I don't sell the head. Because like stated above the head has a higher compression then a stock GSR head. I am throwing a ball park figure out here, but I am going to say around 10:8:1 on compression with the headwork. It may be a bit higher or lower. I should get in contact with DPR and find out what the stage 6 goes under.

what else could I do to lower the compression. headgasket? Because I know that compression is the enemy to turbo. I wouldn't want to put the entire kit together and then have a risky *** setup because of my compression.

is there anything else on my mod list that I could sell that I wouldn't need with the kit....if i do keep the itr tranny i would definately get rid of the 4.785 fd, for sure. I've already upgraded the valvetrain, etc.

I am going to message the users you told me to, about pricing. thanks again for the help

 

patdemps i replied in integra forum

but heres some more info, I have 8 free hours a day at work here to find deals on and best prices on stuff so feel free to im me with questions and ill forward you to the best places to get certain parts.

On the hondata $400-$425
Tuning, will depend on tuner and how good they are. If they charge by the hour and they are experienced look to spend $300 or less Some charge a flat fee though

Fuel pump will only run you $90-$100 tops

As far as your exhuast setup, you should still be able to reach your goals with your size piping. It may hurt a little power and spool time, but you said it best it will save quite a bit of money Those #'s i told you about in your other thread, were on a 2.5 donwpipe and the greddy peII (2.75) exhaust



Modified by quikB18B at 7:36 AM 10/20/2003

 

The exhaust tip is probably 70mm. Measure you actual exhaust. You can run with it but it will restrict hp. You could upgrade that later if so desired. I went from a 2.25 to a 3 and gained 30 in midrange on the dyno. As far as your compression, you will be okay, you just cant run as high a boost pressure as some do. With that compression I wouldn't be afraid to run moderatly high boost. Most people say to go with the gsr cams. I don't know from experience on that one. Your biggest issue shouldn't be whats on your car, it should be finding an expericed tuner that has delt with your compression numbers and high boost. Fine a good one and you should have no problems. I have seen guys boost on a 12:1 compression. They just don't run as high of boost. Reliablity is as good as your tuner.

Oh yeah I forgot Iggy up there is the Honda-tech *****. He can and will find you the hookup. He's on here more than I am.

 

the entire exhaust is 70mm from cat to exhaust. its full stainless steel. so the exhaust should be good for now. ill stick with that for now.

also, quikb18b recommended a HKS headgasket, any information on these (where i can find them and how much they are...and maybe how much they are going to actually drop my compression). I am going to sell my ITR cams and put the GSR cams back in over the winter. So thats more money I can use from my current setup (around 300-330 for ITR cams). Also, do I need Cam Gears? I have a set of STR cam gears uninstalled in my hands right now. Should I sell those or are they useful for a turbo setup?

I've contacted Arturbo and Flamenco-t about parts. Ill be doing more research as the day goes on. Thanks for all the help thus far

 

Patdemps

Looks like after a quick search inline pro also makes a thicker headgasket as well, in $250-$300 range. I dont have experience with either one, but talk to arturbo about more info on the inline pro and pricing. If you can find out your exact compression and see where you stand. Compression is usually preference some peopel like to run lower compression and higher boost, others like to run higher compression and less boost. Higher comporession can be done effectively, but you will need make sure yoru tune is good. Where are you loctaed?

 

Im located in Maine. Greg Sameroo (Cheetah) will be tuning the car. Very well qualified and will be tuned very well. Im not going to be running anything higher then my street psi. I am not interested in getting quicker times at the track but boosting higher. I am interested in more power and a reliable setup. I will definately be looking into that headgasket, anybody had any experience or what to share some info about it.

if there is anything else people can chime in....thanks.

 

hey pat, I live in Maine too and have turbo charged several hondas. I also sell some of the parts you may need for your setup.
My friend has an EK hatch that i did all the work on. Maybe you have been smoked by him before JK. b18b swap (30k ago, no problems) with a t3/t04e. he is probably making about 280 or so untuned. Once CMP opens back up it should be even stronger.
What does your teg look like, I think i have run into you before in portland

your name sounds so familier. i'm sure i have met you. ever been to brunswick?


Modified by Bailhatch at 4:12 PM 10/20/2003

 

I live in Auburn, Maine. I have a Milano Red GSR dumped to the ground. I don't recall knowing you or ever meeting you so I am sure its just someone else. It'd be cool to meet up sometime though. Also, what do you have that would be beneficial to my setup? I haven't raced any turbo cars besides dsm's and a few other misc. ones, I didn't lose to any of them so nope you didn't smoke me.

Anybody else out there with some advice...pricing...or suggestions.

 

What kind of power does the precision sc61 turbo put out?

on a relatively low psi could I put out around 250whp or so. With all the stuff that I am going to order by piecing it together.

also, what type of fuel rail should I be looking at? just a few more things guys and I can leave you alone, haha. i just want to learn as much as possible about this, so i can make all the right decisions. So i dont have to swap parts for better parts later on. I don't want 400whp though.....I need something that my stock bottom end and motor can handle. Around 250whp or so, which means with that turbo should I be on a psi or am i going to be boosting pretty high to get that amount with all the "top of the line" other parts?

i have a few people interested in my head and my itr tranny. so it looks like those things may be going. i would be getting a gsr tranny and a quaife lsd after the itr tranny is gone. and i dont know which head i would get....another gsr head? or whats best for turbo?

 

I have definatly heard of you, somehow. oh well.

As far as helping you out with your setup, I am a Quaife, TXS, Apexi and Greddy dealer among many other brands. I do free shipping to Brunswick and would even consider delivering some items directly to you.

If you need someone to help do your downpipe and charge pipes I can get most of the CNC'd flanges and would do the install if your not inclined to do it yourself. I can get many sizes and styles of silicon connectors too.

e-mail me or IM on here if you need anything

You'll have to come and auto-x with me and my friends next summer. It's really fun and there are lots of sick cars that get hammered on while you wait to run

 

Any old kit will work well for you (250-300whp) is small time for a boosted GSR. Anyway look into a inlinepro head gasket, I would keep the head myself unless you can get good money for it. Rev hard kit, inlinepro head gasket, hondata ... I'd definitely keep the tranny to. You won't look back. PS Standard fuel rail should be fine.

 

Pat has been to an auto x once thats probably how u know him. You guys should both come down to epping this friday night and run your cars, im gonna be running the civic hoping to hit 13s with the new setup. Also, adam, can u hook me up with a turbo xs rfl bov? if so pm me price...

(did taking a ride in my car help your decision to go boost pat? )

 

advice ...thanks guys

Bailhatch: you've got a PM.

I've gotten about half and half between the head and tranny choice. Some say to sell and others say to keep it. I will definately be getting rid of the 4.785 FD....too short of gearing for turbo...plus I want a better highway cruise rpm. If I can find someone interested in my entire tranny setup then I would probably sell it, if not then I may keep it.

the head....now thats something else. people tell me n/a headwork is the direct opposite as fi...other say it may work well with the opened up head. the thing i like about the head is that its already on the car, its in great condition...and only has 60k on it. I will have to remove the itr cams and put the gsr cams back in there though. either way ill find out in the long run, as deals go by and other things happen.

 

Ya Jamie that ride in your car did do justice. But I planned on going FI a bit before that. It was definately fun though. ....next year we'll both be rolling around with turbo's.