When riding last night, I was attempting to clutch a 2nd gear wheelie (pull the clutch in, rev the engine, let the clutch lever pop out, try to control the wheelie), and on the last attempt, something rattled really bad, so I let off the throttle and pulled the clutch lever in. The engine then stalled, so I pulled over and and shut it off. After letting it sit for a minute, I tried to start it again. The engine won't start at all, it won't even crank or turn over. I tried push starting it, but when I get close to going fast enough, I hear the rattling again. Its also really really hard to push if its in gear, with the clutch lever in or out. The chain that turns the back wheel also seems like it came loose, its not off the teeth but it seems like its not even tight enough to turn the back wheel without skipping teeth, after this all happend. Shortly before this happend, I noticed that when I first turned the bike on to ride, I would go to put it in gear to ride away, I would pull the clutch lever back and hit the shifter, and the bike would lunge forward as if I hadn't pulled the clutch lever in and then shut off. Anybody have any suggestions!?! This weekend is biketoberfest and I'm dying to go, but now I have no bike . . . P.S. I recently had the stock clutch replaced with an EBC clutch (it was worn out). . . don't know if that makes a difference . . .

 

maybe you blew the clutch

 

Easiest and fastest way is to take your bike to the shop. That way you'll have a bike for biketoberfest. Also, if you want to live longer and keep your bike free of rash, stop trying to do stupid a$$ stunts like you were doing and you wouldn't have run into a problem like this. Good luck.

 

yea I kno man it was definately stupid of me to trash my bike like that . . . its just tough when your ridin wit' guys who are awesome at 'em, and you just wanna play around . . . It figures this is what I get the weekend before biketoberfest . . .

 

Yep, stunts are stupid and can kill you dummy

Dont you know that bikes are only made to go fast in and out of traffic on highways? Hanging out at local Hooter bike nights or starbucks on weekends? And picking up chics?
Oh yeah, you can do track days too. Even though you can get hurt or injured doing these too. But never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do stunts on your bike you idiot. What are you crazy????

 

It's definitely your clutch......from the sound of it, this is something you want a shop to handle unless you are very confident with your knowledge of bikes. IMO, your clutch could have broken into pieces and that's what's rattling.

 

I'm personally not against stunting but it sounds like your over you head... Who cares if your with a bunch of people who can actually perform stunts and stuff without F*ing up themselves or bikes.... The first rule of riding is ride within <U>YOUR LIMITES</U> not everyone elses' that is around you.
Second of all, clutching a wheelie BAD BAD BAD IDEA...
QUOTE:"(pull the clutch in, rev the engine, let the clutch lever <u>pop out</u>, try to control the wheelie), "
Did you not know to NEVER EVER "pop out" the clutch????? If you took MSF its like the second thing they teach you.
And you say "TRY" to control the wheelie..... You should not <U>try</U> to control it. You have to control it. All stunts when done properly are done under control with smoothness. not POPIN clutchs and TRYING to control it....
Please tell us you were at least wearing gear???
Sounds to me like you should just leave the wheelies to people who know what they're doing. And if you insist in wheelying... learn how to do em with power not clutching it.... easiest way to flip your bike... you got lucky!
Ride safe and rubber side down.
(no flame intented)

 

When I ride, I always wear my helmet, joe rocket phoenix, gloves, jeans, and riding boots, absolutely no exceptions . . . "The first rule of riding is ride within YOUR LIMITES not everyone elses' that is around you." - I've said that to so many people, but never really thought that I wasn't riding within my own . . . maybe this time I didn't . . . Its tough powering on a wheelie on a 600, but like everyone has said, I should ditch 'em until I get better at riding . . . I had been practicing bringing myself back down using the back brake, I basically ride it going up and instinctively hit it when I feel too high . . . ~I appreciate everybody's concern and honesty, its a big part of what makes riding so fun . . . I've been surfing for about 4 years, and its like you meet people while surfing and they wanna cut your leash . . . I meet people while riding and its like we've known eachother for years . . . its awesome, and I hope it always stays that way!~

 

You live and you learn... I have an F4i and I can't power it up in 2nd so I would have to clutch it up also. Dumping isn't the proper method, but one way or another you'll get the feel for it. Also, people can say powering it up isn't good for your bike either since you're basically taking all the stress off the drivetrain and throwing it right back at it only in gear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by markymarc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Second of all, clutching a wheelie BAD BAD BAD IDEA...
QUOTE:"(pull the clutch in, rev the engine, let the clutch lever <u>pop out</u>, try to control the wheelie), "
Did you not know to NEVER EVER "pop out" the clutch????? If you took MSF its like the second thing they teach you.
And you say "TRY" to control the wheelie..... You should not <U>try</U> to control it. You have to control it. All stunts when done properly are done under control with smoothness. not POPIN clutchs and TRYING to control it....
Please tell us you were at least wearing gear???
Sounds to me like you should just leave the wheelies to people who know what they're doing. And if you insist in wheelying... learn how to do em with power not clutching it.... easiest way to flip your bike... you got lucky!
Ride safe and rubber side down.
(no flame intented)

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How else do you bring up an f4i in second gear if you dont clutch??? MSF also probably told you not to do stunts either...so what.

Also, He should always leave wheelies to the people that are really good at them? how would he ever learn how to do a wheelie good if he never practiced?

btw, lots of people have mixed opinions about which is more dangerous: power wheelies vs. clutch wheelies.

 

hes not asking you guys for your opinion on stunt riding...he needs some help with his **** mechanicaly....if you dont know dont comment.......

steve

 

well in that case...yea check your clutch

 

i dont think we could walk you thru a clutch teardown and repair - so take it to a shop.

and check out stuntlife.com i hear they all beat the **** out of their bikes.

 

I got a new computer and forget the site, but there's a cbr forums, and its basically a message board for honda cbr owners. The site isn't something easy to think of like cbrforums or anything like that, but if I find it I'll let you konw. They have the complete CBR service manual on the site for download. If I find it, I'll shoot you an IM.

 

the cbr site your talking about is http://www.cbrworld.net you can also check http://www.sportbikes.ws both great site with good people willing to help....

Like I said earlier I was not flaming anyone, I'm glad your wearing gear. And I'll admit when I said leave wheelies to people who know how to was off.... Its not what I mean but I dunno how to explain it... anyways I was simply stating that from experience and from others that power wheelies tend to be safer since you are more in control than with the clutch. the clutch technique can get REAL ugly REAL fast... Like i said , just more control when you power up...
Ive seen people powering up an F4i in second.. I'm sure its tuff but doable... what about doing it first gear??
Anyways like everyone said most likely a clutch prob...
Meanwhile check out this link... its pretty good, talks about techniques on wheelies... http://www.sportbikes.ws/showt...21261
Ride safe guys

BTW Slyloz, I see your in port-st-lucie.... If your interested in riding down with a bud or two down to Orlando, sometime soon I am getting a few people from other forum (sportbikes.ws) to come to my old school. We had a motorcycle mechanic class and the teacher has a Dynojet Dyno in the shop. And he will let us make runs on it for a small fee.. $5-10 a run. If your interested email me. or just say so here.

 

Thanks for all you guys' help man, I'm pretty sure its the clutch too. I'll be taking it over to the guy who replaced my clutch not more than two weeks ago, so we'll see what happens . . . He seems to think its a timing chain problem(jumped timing?), but that doesn't explain why the drive chain is so friggin loose, or why its so hard to push when in gear even with the clutch lever pulled back . . . I doubt I'll have it for biketoberfest, so feel free to send me pics whoever makes it lol . . . Man I had been lookin forward to it since january, boy did I get screwed out of it . . .

 

wow steve, defense for the stunters Ok mechanical diagnosis. You blew your clutch. More specifically the springs are fatigued, out of position or outright snapped. Your basket may also be loose. Installation of your EBC clutch may not have been correct. It may also be due to the freeplay setting and the inherent friction characteristics of the aftermarket clutch. Also I'm not familiar with the manufacturers specs but I believe you're supposed to install their springs with the clutch. Maybe its a defect w/ the product, or incorrect installation possibly with the use of oe springs. Course there's the obvious argument that your "aggressive" use of the component caused failure do to misuse. Bottom line, you could try to get the shop to do it again for free which would take time and effort or if bike week is that important to you just get it done. By no means attempt it by yourself. I don't think it would do much good. Gluck

 

Excellent reply... if you want to do this yourself, download the F4i service manual, repair and learn at the same time

 

Yea clutches dont enjoy being hammered like that man.

 

I took it to the shop that worked on it last on tuesday night. He seems to feel very strongly that it was the timing chain that skipped a tooth, because I get a funny rattle at 5500RPM's, which he says would've bent valves. A buddy of mine has a superhawk and he had that happen to him once, and he said it didn't bend any valves. I have also heard before that noise is there on alot of F4i's. So we'll see what he says, if it is the clutch, he just replaced it so I'll let him warranty it hehe

 

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Yes we do. Hehehe

Most of the time, if your on a site that dont really deal with stunting, all you'll going to get is flamed.

Just to let you know, if you plan on stunting your bike, your going to break things. So just get use to it. If you wanna learn about stunts, go on stuntlife. Most of the time you'll get nothing but wrong/false information about learning wheelies.

Power wheelies suck. Clutching is alot better and smoother. Clutching will get you to the BP quicker and then all you'll have to worry about is brake and throttle control.

Find more useful info and plenty of help here without any flaming that you wanna do wheelies or stunts. http://www.stuntlife.com Nothing but true support. And more than likly be able to get help with your problem.