You can read my story in the kills forum. I was just wondering how other Type-R drivers have done against them. I for one am not impressed at all.

 

A buddy of mine has one and he was 7 tenths quicker than me when I was stock.

Results vary on those kits and they all require tuning regardless of what kind of car they're on.

 

I use to own an SI, I have raced a SC SI with exhaust and header and he pulled on me in 3rd gear by just a bit. SC Si's dont arent fast at all, same guy ran a 15.4 @ the track, pretty pathetic for almost 3g's.

 

I've laid the serious smackdown on a s/c SI. To the point that the guy wanted to fistfight! Cuz his car looked so pathetic next to an R with I/E. His girl was in the car so he started getting huffy and puffy. But he reconsidered

 

My buddy runs a 14.1 wit ha JRSC SI I/H/E on the 6 PSI pulley.

 

I guess it's hit and miss with those things. I've seen one fast s/c Si at the track running low 14's also. But I've more slow ones than fast ones.

 

It's all about tuning. These units are definitely not a simple "bolt on 40% more power". Wish I'd a known that before I got one........

 

I think we've all found that out the hard way. It's not as bad as some people would like you to think either though. A little time on the dyno and some extra parts is all you need. I think that's the same for any serious mods (not just i/h/e).

 

Sorry but i'm going off the subject but it still has to do with Jackson Supercharger. I ran a SC Gsr at a street race and pulled on him on 2nd and 3rd beating him 2/3 car lenths. I don't know if his car was tuned but supercharge cars are not impressive at all.

 

I guess it all boils down to tuning. But I'm yet to lose to a s/c car on the street.

 

That's one car. There are a couple of JRSC'd cars on this board that would ream any stock Type R, mine included. Just because some guy straps on a blower doesn't mean much unless he gets it tuned up.

what alot of people don't get about forced induction is tuned vs. untuned often is the difference between 165whp and 225whp. It's not uncommon to see 30hp or even 50hp show up during a tuning session.

 

Considering the Drag Gen-3 kit is about the same price I dont think the Jackson kit is as "good" as it should be. N/A mods like ported heads, cams, manifolds, intake etc. are as/more reliable than a SC and most likely always faster. You can make 225 to the wheels but you most likely wont be as fast as my 190whp car.

 

How many N/A cars have we seen blown up on this page? About one a month.

How many SC'd cars have we seen blown up on this page? Zero.

Never mind that you'll spend twice as much money going N/A and if you don't build the motor, a DRAG turbo will land you right into the shop for a rebuild. To do a proper turbo setup on a Honda, be prepared to spend 10k.

 

Thats a very wrong statement Newt2.
I dont see how you can say a supercharged Honda motor is any more reliable then a turbochargered one. 6 PSI is 6 PSI (etc)...doesnt matter what its coming from.

 

A stock drag kit runs 9psi. It also has a big compressor (T3/T4) which flows much more than a M62 Eaton blower.

6psi is NOT 6psi, compressor size makes a big difference. Take two turbo kits commonly used on the market, the Greddy and the DRAG. The Greddy kit uses a small turbo, I think it's a T25 but I could be wrong. The DRAG kit uses a T3/T4 hybrid. Both run 8-9 psi, and even with the intercooler the Greddy kit still comes out about 40 ponies shy of what a DRAG kit will give you (about 225 vs. 260+ with the DRAG kit).

I don't understand all of the physics, but I am positive that a larger turbo will give more power than a smaller one at the same boost level.

 

OK you have a point.

If you mean taht the DRAG kit is less reliable because it makes more power..then yes I can see where you would be coming from.

But if you were to have a turbo kit that puts out the same CFM as the JRSC...it would not be anymore harmful to the motor the na JRSC would be.

 

It wouldn't be much, if any faster either. To use the Greddy kit a an example again, people with that kit are only about a tenth of a second quicker than a JRSC'd car.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a turbo isn't faster because it's a turbo. The reason most turo Hondas are faster than JRSC'd Hondas is because most people buy either the F-MAX or the DRAG kit, both of which use a much larger compressor than the Jackson kit (which isn't REALLY a compressor, but I think you know what I mean).

The fastest cars in the world use roots blowers.

 

My friend's itr tossed has tossed up a JRSC GSR all the day long...all my friend had was a ctr intake cam, sprockets, aem cold air and open headers....untuned beats jrsc si's and jrsc gsr's all day.....my friend's itr ran a best time of 13.8@98 MPH on street slicks........untuned!!!!!

 

My friend's itr has tossed up a JRSC GSR all the day long...all my friend had was a ctr intake cam, sprockets, aem cold air and open headers....untuned beats jrsc si's and jrsc gsr's all day.....my friend's itr ran a best time of 13.8@98 MPH on street slicks........untuned!!!!!

 

my buddy has a 2000si and 8psi pulley runnin 13.7.....my other buddy has a b16 in a hatchback with a 6psi pulley runs 13.4....so both of those cars would pretty much crush a type R with just a few bolt ons depending on drivers. I don't know of to many all motor ITR's in 13's so in my opinion JRSC is great......ohhh yeah from what I heard ITR's need 8psi to make as much power as a gsr with an 8psi pulley. 6 psi pulleys don't cut it on ITR's

 

There is one in my area that has I/H/E, VAFC, Drag radials, 8 PSI. Thats all I know of anyway, and at our altitude he run,s a 14.2-3 to my 14.6-7. My time is w/ the car completely gutted on drag radials.

 

I took out a SC SI @ 5.5 psi w/ an ITR short block and exhaust. It was a close race though. I got a couple car length jump at start, but he came right back to my door until he shifted then it was me by a car length the rest of the way until I shut down.

Overall a very fun match up.