hey guys i'm in the market for a 6pnt cage for my 91 civic hb. i'm curious if anybody has any experience with these guys? i read a bit of postive feedback from the archives but not a lot of info. they are really well priced.. $149 for 8pnt(well basically 6)

is the weight difference worth the price of chromoly? let me know what you think!

thanks

edit: here's a link http://www.swracecars.com/roll%20bars%26cages.html

 

sucks that the shipping is so much ($120 for 10pnt to Cali)

 

chromoly cages are not to be used on the street as they are brittle and will crack.

 

I did an S&W Mild Steel cage in a civic hatch, pics here

Decent fit, needed to be fine tuned in some places, would have been more difficult if the process was to be TIG instead of MIG. Working on a chromoly 8pt for my car now, hoop seems to fit well and the other bars line up but they too will require some grinding especially because it has to be TIG'd. After mine is done I'm doing a friends Supra in chromoly

 

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Even with the shipping it's still cheaper than what we pay up in Toronto. We're looking at approx $150/point for Chromoly so a 6 point cage is costing us $900CDN which is about $700US.

 

i have the mild steel 8pt, and it needed a bit of grinding finessing to be perfect...the hoop was paerfect though, no complaints...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MackSpeed-616 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">chromoly cages are not to be used on the street as they are brittle and will crack.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can use Moly on a street cage. what you said about it being brittle is true, but why would you use it on a 4 sec funny car @300mph and not for the street if its not safe???

 

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you can use Moly on a street cage. what you said about it being brittle is true, but why would you use it on a 4 sec funny car @300mph and not for the street if its not safe???</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm.. lets see... b/c there are no pot holes on the drag strip?

 

Just had a 6 point chromo Roll Bar installed in a 88 EF. Just needed a little extra finesse in some parts ( the hoop triangle mounting points and the rear bar mounting points on the passenger side angles were a little too steep)
Otherwise easy company to deal with and prompt expensive shipping.
I would definitely recommend.

 

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hmmm.. lets see... b/c there are no pot holes on the drag strip?</TD></TR></TABLE>


do you know what torque is??? why does't the chassis break from torque of the motor. thats why you have suspension to absorb the potholes

 

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hmmm.. lets see... b/c there are no pot holes on the drag strip?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha...you havnt seen some of the tracks we have raced at this year...****, some of the tracks made for a rough ride.

 

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Haha...you havnt seen some of the tracks we have raced at this year...****, some of the tracks made for a rough ride.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats funny and i can agree with you 100% some tracks are like racing on cobble stone streets. none of them are perfectly level.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speeddave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys i'm in the market for a 6pnt cage for my 91 civic hb. i'm curious if anybody has any experience with these guys? i read a bit of postive feedback from the archives but not a lot of info. they are really well priced.. $149 for 8pnt(well basically 6)

is the weight difference worth the price of chromoly? let me know what you think!

thanks

edit: here's a link http://www.swracecars.com/roll%20bars%26cages.html
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but anyways..... S&W makes good roll cage kits. just remember that its just that.... A KIT. meaning some things are gonna have to be "tweaked"
not every driver is the same size and height. its defintily a BANG FOR THE BUCK kinda deal. if you need any assitance or help i know them guys up there personally just gimme a holla.

 

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Haha...you havnt seen some of the tracks we have raced at this year...****, some of the tracks made for a rough ride.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you call what you do "racing"? haahaha j/k

gimme a call you weenie! haven't seen hide nor hair(no pun intended) since you became a bigtime sponsored racer!

 

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do you know what torque is??? why does't the chassis break from torque of the motor. thats why you have suspension to absorb the potholes</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow you are really clueless. tell me do you have any metal fabrication or even racing experience at all?!?

first less clarify the facts between chromoly and mild steel as bare material.
alot of people think chromoly is lighter than mild steel. this is not the case! chromoly is just stronger than mild steel, as a result you are able to use a lighter gauge and thinner tubing. if you were to use .134 wall mild steel and .134 wall Chromoly, there would be no weight difference. A weight savings would be implemented if you were to use a chromoly tube with .083 wall thickness. The reason you can do this is becuase of chromoly's higher tensile strength.

Due to Chromolys' physical properties it is more brittle than steel and weak points are created along the welds. This is the area that WILL crack under CONTINUED stress. Mild Steel is more forgiving in this area and is ideal for a street application. Also consider that Chromoly is many times more expensive than Mild Steel, so if you are just interested in street safety and on a budget, this will be the ideal material for you.

Also, Chromoly must be TIG welded, Mild steel may be MIG'd.

 

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wow you are really clueless. tell me do you have any metal fabrication or even racing experience at all?!?

first less clarify the facts between chromoly and mild steel as bare material.
alot of people think chromoly is lighter than mild steel. this is not the case! chromoly is just stronger than mild steel, as a result you are able to use a lighter gauge and thinner tubing. if you were to use .134 wall mild steel and .134 wall Chromoly, there would be no weight difference. A weight savings would be implemented if you were to use a chromoly tube with .083 wall thickness. The reason you can do this is becuase of chromoly's higher tensile strength.

Due to Chromolys' physical properties it is more brittle than steel and weak points are created along the welds. This is the area that WILL crack under CONTINUED stress. Mild Steel is more forgiving in this area and is ideal for a street application. Also consider that Chromoly is many times more expensive than Mild Steel, so if you are just interested in street safety and on a budget, this will be the ideal material for you.

Also, Chromoly must be TIG welded, Mild steel may be MIG'd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so what book did you steal that out of??? and dude... i been racing for 25 years. and building for 12yrs. so you might wanna do a back round check on me before you start blabbering about me being clueless. and your response is waaayyyy off topic. and has nothing to do with if why or why not use chromoly on on the street. and if you wanna know who i am catch me at the S.E.M.A show so i can see your mouth drop

 

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so what book did you steal that out of??? and dude... i been racing for 25 years. and building for 12yrs. so you might wanna do a back round check on me before you start blabbering about me being clueless. and your response is waaayyyy off topic. and has nothing to do with if why or why not use chromoly on on the street. and if you wanna know who i am catch me at the S.E.M.A show so i can see your mouth drop</TD></TR></TABLE>

i didnt "steal" it out of any book. don't assume that just because someone is more intelligent than you and can present their ideas in a more organized manner that they are published. i was simply trying to provide a background for someone who is new at this and give them different things to consider in their roll bar/cage decision making. why are you such a hater? does my willingness to spread knowledge threaten you?

what booth at SEMA will you be working? APC??

 

thanks guys! i wanted to tig the cage together, but if fitment is an issue, i might have to mig it together i guess.

thanks for the help!

 

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i didnt "steal" it out of any book. don't assume that just because someone is more intelligent than you and can present their ideas in a more organized manner that they are published. i was simply trying to provide a background for someone who is new at this and give them different things to consider in their roll bar/cage decision making. why are you such a hater? does my willingness to spread knowledge threaten you?

what booth at SEMA will you be working? APC??</TD></TR></TABLE>


dude i ain't trying to hate. you the one that started on me. i just asked you a simple question about why you say not to use chromoly on the street. then you the one that said i'm clueless. i've built tons of cars that run in the FASTEST STREET CAR sanction and they are complete street legal tube chassis cars 25-1C for that fact. and never had a problem at all. and they still run 6's at the track.i'm not disagree about what you say about the properties of the metal,because thast 100% true. thats the reason why Moly cars have to be recertified every 2 years(or 4yrs. i can't remember i just woke up) anyways..... no HATERADE in my fluids son.

 

[QUOTE=speeddave]thanks guys! i wanted to tig the cage together, but if fitment is an issue, i might have to mig it together i guess.

thanks for the help![/QUOTE


it shouldn't be a problem for you to tig it. its actually a little easier than mig if you know what you doing. plus it will look alot cleaner and it will look very professional.

 

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dude i ain't trying to hate. you the one that started on me. i just asked you a simple question about why you say not to use chromoly on the street. then you the one that said i'm clueless. i've built tons of cars that run in the FASTEST STREET CAR sanction and they are complete street legal tube chassis cars 25-1C for that fact. and never had a problem at all. and they still run 6's at the track.i'm not disagree about what you say about the properties of the metal,because thast 100% true. thats the reason why Moly cars have to be recertified every 2 years(or 4yrs. i can't remember i just woke up) anyways..... no HATERADE in my fluids son.</TD></TR></TABLE>

"DUDE!" id love to hear about some of the "fastest street tube chassis cars" you built. they must not run in any sanctioning body i've ever heard of b/c you have run stock unibody.

 

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"DUDE!" id love to hear about some of the "fastest street tube chassis cars" you built. they must not run in any sanctioning body i've ever heard of b/c you have run stock unibody.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not talking about imports. i'm talking about domestics. and yes. the sanction is called THE FASTEST STREET CAR SHOOTOUT. so apparently you don't know too much about all the racing divisions out there with you 11sec 'Teg. also this sanction runs in conjuction with the NMRA. witch is NATIONAL MUSTANG RACING ASSOCIATION. so don't talk no dumb **** to me. and my car is by far a unibody car just for your info

 

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{sigh} you're a moron.

 

Says on the SW website the cage is mild steel. Do they also sell a chromoly cage kit?

 

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yes they also sell all the kits in moly as well as mild steel