1. When removing the powersteering what all has to be removed?

2. when removing a/c does the condenser need to be taken out?

3. What belt do i need to run from the alternator to the crank?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. When removing the powersteering what all has to be removed?

2. when removing a/c does the condenser need to be taken out?

3. What belt do i need to run from the alternator to the crank?</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can simply take the belt off and it will get rid of the parasitic loss the pump gives you, or you can remove it all, but it's a pain in the *** and you might want it back later when you get tired of fighting the wheel when in a parking lot or something....same goes for the a/c...don't have to remove the condensor, but no point in having it on there if you're going a/c-less.......on my h22a, i simply had to remove the p/s belt since it was seperate, but i left my a/c on.....so not sure about your last question

 

for ac I removed the belt and compressor and then al the lines if you follow them go around the motor to the firewall..leave the lines sticking out..(vent the freon into a container and empty the lines first). Then if you want to go all the way you remove the passenger side airbag and a whole bunch of other BS to get to the condenser and pull the **** out, block the hole that goes to the firewall and you're done/

 

since i don't have a passenger side airbag would i still be able to get it out?

Aslo what size belt to i need?

 

Not without removing the DASH. Only 6 bolts. Thats a Biotch!!!! I would just take the belts off man.. Just like some other guy said, you may want this stuff back later. Are you going all track/race? I thought the condenser was up in-front of the radiator? Thats only (2) bolts to remove, and the 2 lines. Plus I would have the ac unit/system Evacuated. thats just me. Seems like alot of work for just a bit more power/ less weight.

LOL&gt;While your @ it why not remove all the interior and sit on a milk crate JK
Good luck with removen your ac and ps

 

I did all that satan did for the ac. For the ps I took the pump off and the cooler off and plugged the lines together and into the ps fluid resivoir. I know that didn't make much sense, but it is too hard to explain w/o both of us looking at the lines.

 

Anybody know how much removing the AC system will save on weight?

 

removing the A/C isnt as easy as it seems.

 

There is no point in removing the belt from the A/C. The drag from the A/C unit is near nill when the A/C is off (as the pulley is freewheeling just like a tensioner pully would be). The only way to "get rid of your A/C" and gain some sort of performance would be to remove the pump its self for the weight reduction.

As for the power steering, DO NOT remove just the belt. If you do the lines are still pressurized, and when you turn the wheel you're going to put alot of stress on the hydrolic seals in the steering rack (which can cause them to wear out prematurely and cause a loss of all fluid), *OR* you can ruin the rack and pinion from the extra stress it will encounter. If you're going to remove the belt, loop the hoses down by the "partitioning" valve and on the steering rack its self so the fluid can move somewhere.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> There is no point in removing the belt from the A/C. The drag from the A/C unit is near nill when the A/C is off (as the pulley is freewheeling just like a tensioner pully would be). The only way to "get rid of your A/C" and gain some sort of performance would be to remove the pump its self for the weight reduction.

As for the power steering, DO NOT remove just the belt. If you do the lines are still pressurized, and when you turn the wheel you're going to put alot of stress on the hydrolic seals in the steering rack (which can cause them to wear out prematurely and cause a loss of all fluid), *OR* you can ruin the rack and pinion from the extra stress it will encounter. If you're going to remove the belt, loop the hoses down by the "partitioning" valve and on the steering rack its self so the fluid can move somewhere. </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Good points were brought up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> There is no point in removing the belt from the A/C. The drag from the A/C unit is near nill when the A/C is off (as the pulley is freewheeling just like a tensioner pully would be). The only way to "get rid of your A/C" and gain some sort of performance would be to remove the pump its self for the weight reduction.

As for the power steering, DO NOT remove just the belt. If you do the lines are still pressurized, and when you turn the wheel you're going to put alot of stress on the hydrolic seals in the steering rack (which can cause them to wear out prematurely and cause a loss of all fluid), *OR* you can ruin the rack and pinion from the extra stress it will encounter. If you're going to remove the belt, loop the hoses down by the "partitioning" valve and on the steering rack its self so the fluid can move somewhere. </TD></TR></TABLE> You can get around this by not running a 'full' PS system right? like I leaked out a ton of PS fluid so the reservoir is empty...but there is some still in the lines...I'm assuming there is enough room for it to move that way...agree?

 

It helps to put a breather on the resivoir to relieve the pressure more.

 

Ok, just to clearify this is for a track (drag) car. I'm taking them out because it free's up space, and i wont use them.

So what size belt should i get to run the alternator?

 

I don't know man I have a UR crank pulley and I used a 35" I think. Your's will be bigger though. I asked the guys at AutoZone for the Alt belt for a Lude with no a/c and they gave me a 36" Ask for that lude with no a/c and buy the size up and the size down and return the 2 you don't use.

 

how much weight will you lose by removing those 2? does anyone know?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> There is no point in removing the belt from the A/C. The drag from the A/C unit is near nill when the A/C is off (as the pulley is freewheeling just like a tensioner pully would be). The only way to "get rid of your A/C" and gain some sort of performance would be to remove the pump its self for the weight reduction.

As for the power steering, DO NOT remove just the belt. If you do the lines are still pressurized, and when you turn the wheel you're going to put alot of stress on the hydrolic seals in the steering rack (which can cause them to wear out prematurely and cause a loss of all fluid), *OR* you can ruin the rack and pinion from the extra stress it will encounter. If you're going to remove the belt, loop the hoses down by the "partitioning" valve and on the steering rack its self so the fluid can move somewhere. </TD></TR></TABLE>


pumping out the fluid by disconnecting the main line and/or all the lines where they enter the rack will solve this...and make turning easier.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fizzbob7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


pumping out the fluid by disconnecting the main line and/or all the lines where they enter the rack will solve this...and make turning easier.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you take out all the fluid?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RacingLude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anybody know how much removing the AC system will save on weight?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it's about 40-50 pounds if you get the compressor, lines, condensor, drier unit, and evaporator..

Sunroof is next ! muahahahha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think it's about 40-50 pounds if you get the compressor, lines, condensor, drier unit, and evaporator..

Sunroof is next ! muahahahha</TD></TR></TABLE>

nah I just removed the A/C system in my 4th gen couple weeks ago. The compressor is about 20 lbs, the rest of the stuff including the rad add up to about 10-15 lbs. So you save 30-35 lbs. I weighed it all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TraKtioN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

nah I just removed the A/C system in my 4th gen couple weeks ago. The compressor is about 20 lbs, the rest of the stuff including the rad add up to about 10-15 lbs. So you save 30-35 lbs. I weighed it all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

even the evap under the dash? not that it's super heavy or anything...

 

Complete A/C is 33 lbs on a 5th gen.