Hi i wanted to know i am going to get skunk2 cams, cam gears, valve springs, and retainers what pistons and rods do you think i should get and should i port n polish the head please write back what u guys think

 

well what kind of results are looking for? how much hp or quartermile times are you wanting with this setup. its kind of hard to say what to buy when you dont have a general goal set. skunk2 products are good but i wouldnt sugest their valves, port and polish is also a good idea

 

P&P, Good bolt ons, Endyn/JE pistons, and eagle/probe rods are good, balance the bottem end, good fuel management, ECU, drag radials, ect for starters........ and alot of dyno time and your all set.

 

get ctr pistons and use your stock rods. i got the same setup as your gonna have. you will be happy w/this set up.

 

i would not change your rods and pistons unless your are trying to make 200+whp. if you are running turbo or nos, then i would consider changing the rods and pistons. the p &p is a good idea, but you'll want to raise your compression, so some head milling would be in order.

 

haha this guy....

B16s are very nice motors... trying to make them fast (13's or lower) and daily driven is going to cost you too much. I just wanted to warn you that. A very respectable B16 with mods should be making 185whp is concidered VERY nice setup.

let me ask you this...
1)are you techincally cabable if doing your own work or are you going to take it to a shop? (cams, pistons, HG ect..)

2) what is your budget?

3) how heavy is your car and how fast do you want to go in the 1/4 mile?

4) what octane do you have there?

and for all the people that getting a P&P head as a begining mod..... you guys are funny. honda heads are already good enough. The only time you should get a P&P head so that the GAINS will be worth it and actually SHOW is when you have
a)aftermarket cams
b) high compression
work on getting those 2 befor doing your head.... you can but you'll be disappointed at spending 900 for little no gains with your stock cams and block. LOL

HTH

 

yeah i am trying to make 200+hp and i am trying to get the goal of low 13's high 12's in a coupe or hatch 96-00 do you think that is relastic witrh high compression pistons, rods,skunk2 cams, valve springs, retainers, cam gears,IHE, v-tec controller intake manifold and maybe p&p head and milled o and if someone coul;d explain what milling the head is thanx please write back if you think i can get low 13's high 12's out of that thanx

 

And i can do all the work myself other then boreing it out honeing it and p&p

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigjoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i am trying to make 200+hp and i am trying to get the goal of low 13's high 12's in a coupe or hatch 96-00 do you think that is relastic witrh high compression pistons, rods,skunk2 cams, valve springs, retainers, cam gears,IHE, v-tec controller intake manifold and maybe p&p head and milled o and if someone coul;d explain what milling the head is thanx please write back if you think i can get low 13's high 12's out of that thanx</TD></TR></TABLE>

200crank horse power might be possible but WHP its going to cost you alot of money! no joke! and the key is headwork! personally im against milling the head and would just use higher compression pistons, milling the head is when u shave off part of it to bump up compression, milling the head and ctr pistons and aggresive cams isn't going to be favorable imo.

 

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200crank horse power might be possible but WHP its going to cost you alot of money! no joke! and the key is headwork! personally im against milling the head and would just use higher compression pistons, milling the head is when u shave off part of it to bump up compression, milling the head and ctr pistons and aggresive cams isn't going to be favorable imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

200whp with a B16 (keeping it 1.6 liter) is VERY VERY hard to do. your talking about atleast 14+cr if that will even do it with JUN3 cams, hondata, a good head.

BTW head work is just as important as the cams and CR pistons! like i said before or in other threads..... 185whp would be very repectable already. 185whp is like 215-220 crank hp out of a 1.6

it is not impossible to do but why do it? if you want a nice mild B16 setup it's doable and ok but do set your goals high of 200whp is almost insane for a 1.6 displacement. This this day i have not seen a streetable or infact a drag car with a 200whp 1.6 motor all motor running regular fuel non achole or carberated.

if you can do it more props to you. I too have a B16 motor that i plan on building some day with goals of 215whp but it will not be kept at the same displacement.

 

If a 1.5L SOHC can break 200 whp ALL MOTOR with just 14:1 (i think) compression, i think a 1.6 DOHC can do it.

 

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care to explain? also within the parameter of what i stated above if you were not so axtiouse to post. READING is fundemental for all.

 

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200whp with a B16 (keeping it 1.6 liter) is VERY VERY hard to do. your talking about atleast 14+cr if that will even do it with JUN3 cams, hondata, a good head.
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umm re-read my post i never said it was not hard to do, i said its doable with alots of money if u have never seen over 200whp on a b16 maybe u should pay a visit skunk2's website( http://www.skunk2.com/start.htm ) , i might be mistaken but if u click at the bottom on cars then go over 3 vehicles u will see theyre all motor road racing civic si, its a b16 with these specs

"1999 Honda Civic Si

Engine:
Skunk2 Racing World Challenge-spec Honda B16A race engine
1.6L DOHC VTEC, 245HP, 148 FT-LB
Skunk2 Racing ported and polished cylinder head
Skunk2 Racing intake manifold
Skunk2 Racing VTEC camshafts
Skunk2 Racing valves, valve springs, Ti retainers

Engine Management:
Skunk2 Racing-spec OBDI ECU

Data Acquisition:
Motec

"
it is possible to hit over 200whp like i said, but we must also realize this b16 isn't running on pump gas either, a setup over 200whp is just going to cost alot, and will most likely not be streetable.

get that compression up, go all out on the head, and may i suggest individual throttle bodies, and some good *** tunning! i know im not going to get to technical on what kinda work you should have done just becuase this is your engine and you need to research your own setup and find your goals and i honestly dont know, im just trying to steer ya in the right direction

 

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care to explain? also within the parameter of what i stated above if you were not so axtiouse to post. READING is fundemental for all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was just stating that, yes its hard to do but its very possible for a street b16 to break 200whp... im trying to do it myself with the stock 1.6 displacement. I agree totally with what you said, I was just making a general statment that even a 1.4L single cam can do it. oh yeah its a 1.4L single cam... and here is the thread just in case anyone is interested. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=604242

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

200whp with a B16 (keeping it 1.6 liter) is VERY VERY hard to do. your talking about atleast 14+cr if that will even do it with JUN3 cams, hondata, a good head.

BTW head work is just as important as the cams and CR pistons! like i said before or in other threads..... 185whp would be very repectable already. 185whp is like 215-220 crank hp out of a 1.6

it is not impossible to do but why do it? if you want a nice mild B16 setup it's doable and ok but do set your goals high of 200whp is almost insane for a 1.6 displacement. This this day i have not seen a streetable or infact a drag car with a 200whp 1.6 motor all motor running regular fuel non achole or carberated.

if you can do it more props to you. I too have a B16 motor that i plan on building some day with goals of 215whp but it will not be kept at the same displacement.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it is hard, but not nearly as hard as you think. it's a rare sight, therefore people think it is hard. displacement is obviously the most practical way to make 200whp "with alot less stress", but i can tell you that 14+ c.r. is not necessary. its all in the set up. i.e quality header, cams, headwork, compression and tuning. i can honestly say if i were looking to make 200whp, the 16 would not be my choice, but it would be kinda nice. making that type of power out of a 1.6L (81.5mm) with that r/s ratio would be deadly from 8300-9400rpm. i do know that with an smsp header, 12-12.5/1 c.r., 81.5mm pistons, skunk2 stg 2's, hondata and head porting will get you to 200whp on the b16a. trust me. it's all in the set up. peace

 

you really don't need 200+whp to get into the 12s with a B16. As long as your car is about 1950-2klbs with about 175-180whp you can hit 12s... I had 162 whp and my car weighed 1950lbs we hit 13.2@3000ft elevation... sea level is about 12.8ish! Stock bottom end and JUN III cams was all I had... HTH