This is the Neuspeed bar. This picture doesn't really show the problem, but at least you'll know what I'm talking about.

The rule states "Upper strut tower braces may be used. Strut tower braces may attach to the shock towers ONLY and are limited to two (2) attachment points."

Well, this bar mounts to the shock tower area (specifically, the anchor bolts for the upper A-arm), but the bar splits (as you can see in the picture) so that it actually contacts the chassis in FOUR places, not two. But in two places really.... each strut tower.

sorry, I'm a n00b - just want to to do this right though....

 

It only mounts to the chassis in two places. What happens between those two points is irrelevant by the rulebook. It could jungle gym across your valve cover and it'd be legal.

 

but... well, it touches the chassis in 4 places...

oh well. Its just a bloody strut bar. If they don't like it, I'll take it off and get something else.

 

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Each strut tower is considered one place i believe.

I'd just buy a stock ITR or GSR bar if it fits.

 

If it connects to the chassis in 4 separate places it would be a valid protest. 2 separate places upon each strut tower is 4 separate places.

It would be a weak protest to be sure, and would be a call that is not an easy one.

Nevertheless, I'd save myself the trouble and use something thats a no-brainer.

 

The majority of IT Hondas use this bar up here. No protests or bitching...although it doesn't mean it fits in the letter of the law.

And what about that other bar on the floor? It has two bolt holes in it. Is that one point or two?

 

Technically illegal, but ina series that let's the cage tie into the shock towers, I'd be stunned if anyone protested.

 

If it looks like this you might have an issue.



However, I would assume that the bar above mounts to the same bolts as this one.



Is the one on the bottom considered a single mounting point?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Floyd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it looks like this you might have an issue.


However, I would assume that the bar above mounts to the same bolts as this one.

Is the one on the bottom considered a single mounting point?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No I believe the neuspeed bar with the separate legs mounts to the upper control arm studs and the one with the solid 1 mounting point mounts to the shock mount studs

 

actually, the Neuspeed bars mount on the upper arm mouting bolts, whereas the "other" bars mount to the shock mounting bolts.
the bottom picture in your post is legal, the top one is not. IMO - it's all interpretation, anyway.

 

So with this does that mean tha tthe Carbing 3pt bar is illegal to use??

I'm confused in classes for racing...I know I'll be doing HPDE's....

 

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For autocross and IT racing yes, because it bolts to the firewall.

 

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The rule quote pretty much nails it.
If you want to explore/debate it, the key is to define the "shock tower". Have fun.

 

Both my CRX and Prelude have Neuspeed front tower bars. The CRX passed NASA tech, btw. The mounting points are the 2 retaining studs/nuts for the shock top hats on each side. I will assume that the LOOSE interpretation of the rule would be that this method of attachment is acceptable since many upper bars are built to mount in a similar way both front and rear. The actual number of mounting points is 2 since the bar is connected to the towers only and nowhere else. Just my opinion.

 

What passes tech and what will survive a protest are very different things...

K

 

I have this bar on my CRX and it mounts to the shock tower bolts not the upper control arm. I think that would be a nit picky protest. If you count the number of bolts as the attachment points both bars use two bolts per tower so they are equal.

 

As for Honda Challenge:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2003_ECHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Upper strut tower braces may be used
Note: All suspension parts must retain their original attachment points at the chassis, and the suspension must maintain its original configuration.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2003_National &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k) Cars may add stayrod(s) between the shock towers and/or lower suspension mounting points.
Note: All suspension parts must retain their original attachment points at the chassis, and the suspension must maintain its original design and function</TD></TR></TABLE>

Basically both rule sets rule out anything which attaches to the UCAs or the upper mount locations.

 

No one will probably say anything until you beat them.
Then they'll protest and you could lose, question is, is it worth the risk?

 

just have a thin piece of metal welded between the two mounting points. Then it's the same as a ITR/GSR one right? If one has 2 bolts per side and the other has two bolts per side, and they bolt to the same location the only real difference is that one has a braket that joins the two mounting point together. Welding in a piece would make it the same, no?

Anyway, anyone who would protest that is a crybaby.

Steve

 

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Anyway, anyone who would protest that is a crybaby.

Steve</TD></TR></TABLE>

I second that, but I've seen worse. How about a protest over windshield wipers...