im really puzzled on what motor to put into my crx si...the b16 or gsr. i was leaning toward the b16 but now im really leaning towards the gsr...any pointers???

 

They are both great motors, but if you can afford the b18c1 get it, bigger is better.

If you're on a budget go with the b16.

 

yes price is a big difference .. also when looking for both motors keep in mind it may be easyer to find b16 with tranny over a gsr with cable tranny

 

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Make sure you don't get a b18c1, you want a b18c(GSR spec) the differance is, the b18c1 has 170hp and the b18c is the JDM version of the same motor with an extra 10hp.. I would look for a long block form an engine importer, you can find cable b16 trannies for a dime a dozen.(All the EG civic guys buth the "cheap b16a and find out they can't use the cable tranny in their cars)

If you can't afford it now, spend some time to look around and fiind one and save for it, you'll be so much happier if you do wait..An extra 20hp around here is had to come by and those extra ponies get hard to find the deep you get in there, so starting off with an extra 20hp puts you ahaead of the pack right off the bat!

 

b16 all the way....

 

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Why? Why would you pick the smaller/weaker engine over the bigger/more powerful engine?

Get a b18c(like turborex's said) it's a hot motor, you'll really enjoy the powerband, and with a few mod's it really perks up nicely...

Take a b16 and put an I/H/E and your still not on the same playing field as a stock b18c....Think about that for a bit....

 

im stuck in the same position man, next week i think is gonna be the big week, finally gettin my swap done. ive been readin and researchin what seems like forever. i think im going with the b16 because ive decided the 20 horses aint worth the saving for the huge extra amount of money there chargin for the b18c. but thats just me, i am on a budget. if youre well off or "rich" then go with the b18c. its come down to almost a 1500 dollar difference i think, cant remember. so use that money on the b16 and see what it can do. ive compared them both stock and seen outcomes of races with both engines stock and it comes down to driver in most cases. depending on cars and drivers. if youve got the money to blow, **** it why not go b18c but if not then get the b16 i dont think youll be dissapointed at all.

 

I agree 100% if your on a buget, get the b16...Just remeber to add up all the other cost's like mods(witch you will do) and after your happy with your b16's performance see how much you spent, I bet you its alot more then you would have spent on the b18c...

 

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Why? Why would you pick the smaller/weaker engine over the bigger/more powerful engine?...Take a b16 and put an I/H/E and your still not on the
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one....there's absoluetely no difference (there is, but its not important in this case) between the b18c1 and the b18c. in japan they simply dont use the 5 letter/number code, instead its just 4. the only difference between the two motors is the CR 10.6 vs 10.0. if getting a gsr motor, you have to make sure to get a cable tranny, unless you're getting a hydro to cable kit which is being released from hasport as of manana (tuesday). in either case, whether getting a 170 hp b16 (from the xsi teggy, 92-93), or gsr motor (94+) you're going to need to convert from OBD O to OBD I, II, or 2.2. the easiest thing to do would be to get a b16 89-91 swap...but then again, you would have to switch over to obd I or higher if you needed to get smogged.

 

Hey Dude, I live in AZ also right at the top of AZ next to Lake Powell... I have to agree with 92 civic here.....

I know my first swap was a b16, and I was happy as hell for like a month... Then I did the Intake, header, high flow cat, and an exhaust.. My buddy (back in Utah) has a b18c in his 94 Civic Hatch, and he blew me away, on the freeway/ at the drag strip everywhere, and he just had an intake....

So I went ahead and got cams(skunk2 stage 2) a vfac some cam gears, and after I installed every thing and did alilttle street turning, I went to my local speed shop and had them dyno tune it(air/fuel ratio) So lets add this up Cams $750,Valve springs and retainers $300 cam gears $200 Vafc $325 dyno tune( 174whp) $200 and a new valve cover gasket(can't have any oil leaks) $35...That's $1810 keep in mind I did the labor, if you have a shop do that add about $300 witch puts you at over $2100 for 22 extra hp! Add in the header $350, carsound cat $150 apex exhaust $500 and cheapy intake $75 add that all together you come up with $2885 no add in the swap it's self 1500-2000, and you looking at any where from $4300-$4800 doing all the labor yourself)

Does it still look cheap to you?

 

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one....there's absoluetely no difference (there is, but its not important in this case) between the b18c1 and the b18c. in japan they simply dont use the 5 letter/number code, instead its just 4. the only difference between the two motors is the CR 10.6 vs 10.0. if getting a gsr motor </TD></TR></TABLE>

So the 10hp differance between the USDM b18c1 170hp and the JDM B18c GSR 180hp.... I think we all know th JDM b18c are just that weather it be a GSR or a type-R, but the GSR has the P72 head, and about 25 less hp then the type R, But we are not talking about b18c5's

 

Get the b18c.....gotta love the tq from the 1.8...

 

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werd

 

If you ot cash,and u or someone you know can do this, you may wanna buy a b16 head and a b20 block and do a b20vtec.With all the parts, i think it cost around the same price if not less than a b18c1 and it would be faster. BUT THAT IS IF U OT THE MULA AND THA SKILLS. If you dont got the money, buy a b16 and then later on you can turbo it, do an lsvtec, do a b20vtec, or just keep it stock.

 

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(All the EG civic guys buth the "cheap b16a and find out they can't use the cable tranny in their cars)
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well i dont know what youve been hearing. all u need to use the cable tranny instead of the hydro is a conversion kit that costs 125. i dont know anyone with b16s in there egs that have scraped there tranny. that tranny is geared way too well to let it go. especially for the price.

either way to answer your Q.

b16 all the way... y? u may ask. heres y.

b16 complete change over is 1400+ shipping then for the price u can buy a gsr block, itr pistons(or aftermarker high compression), and some ls rods (dont forget new rod bolts). then your motor will be much faster then any gsr. for much less the price and u still get a better tranny.

from there on u can build up your head. valvetrain first, then cams, then upgrade your whole fuel system. and get some good fuel managment. that will be set for a killer set up. u cant forget your bolt ons. I/H/E and u will be making some real power for a great price.

one thing i would suggest is to opt to get the lsd when buying the swap. u will apreciate it so much in the end.

 

http://www.flashoptions.com has JDM b18c complete front clips for 2200....not bad..

 

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not bad at all.
actually flashoptions has the best prices around.... only thing is. flashoptions is located in thai land. and ive heard nothing but bad things. people not getting there motors. its hard to make claims for businesses in other countries.

i was thinking about doing business with them untill i heard horror story upon horror story.

hmo is the way to go. its really only $50 more expensive. but about 250-300 cheaper then flashoptions when it comes to shipping. thats where they get ya

 

Wow I'm glad you said somethng, I was thinking about getting an h22 from them for my 84 crx...hmo here I come!!!

 

glad i could help

 

It's nice having a place like Honda tech to find info like this.. You would think some of the tuner magazines would have written an article on people like Flashoptions or osaka...I hear nothing but horror and crap about those places!!!

Back to the point, get the JDM gsr swap, the added cost at the begining saves you alot of money in the end!!!

 

the torque of the b18c owns the b16. when i had my GSR Ek i ran a freind with a b16 EK. At that point we were almost all stock(engine wise) from a roll of 5 MPH we gunned it and i pulled on him nasty because he bogged and i took the hell off. i had at least a car on him when i clipped 2nd. B18c is key if you can afford it.

 

i spent about 3 grand on my car as it is, B16 from the XSi, Vafc, Si seats, Mugen chipped PR3, shift linkage, Skunk2 short shifter, DC Type R 4-1(sits too low so im trading it for a 4-2-1 soon) and a JDM front end.........but if you just want your car to be stock with the GSR, unless you have the money for that **** too.....i say go B16 and block swap later.....its cheaper and you can build your head and the rest of your car....or go stock turbo so you can beat EG's with ITR swaps.....well thats how it goes around here