I have order a set of Mugen Low Downs for my 00 ITR...

I would like to hear from anyone who has the kit installed..

What are Pro's / Con's of these units?

Regards

 

i'm not sure there are any cons . . .

except height-adjustability, but sometimes that's not a pro, either.

 

They are steel and the spring rates are soft.But,somehow they are suppose to be good.

 

I'll see how good they are if Mullet-Boy ever lets me ride in or, better yet, drive his car!!! lol

where are you kenji?

 

Why would you spend around 1400 dollars for the lowdowns (that is how much they are for on KingMotorsports) when you get get TEIN HA's for that much and have full height adjustable and 16 way damper adjust. Plus you can buy different spring rates for like 200 bux or something like that. Just wondering

Craig
01 ITR

 

Craig: Height adjustability is useless for most people. You set it once unless you race the car. You have (well, not HAVE) to get it corner weighted, etc. too much of a pain in the a$$ for a simple street car. I would never use non threaded body coilovers on a race car, but on a street car I don't think I'd ever used threaded body coilovers.

 

I see what you mean, but damn 1400 bucks for not threaded shocks just seems like alot of money when there are other options out there for the same price.

Craig
01 ITR

 

My only hang up is that they are $1,400 and they are steel.I talked to the guys at A&j they said the Teins weren't 16 way they were more like 6 way.They claimed they shock didn't start getting stiff until at 10 or so.If you have to have something that says Mugen or Tein on it go for it.I'll spend my money elsewhere.

 

What what else is there? Mugen N1's for 2500 or Apex'i ? I had the TEIN HA's on my old GSR and loved them, however, I did have the metal uper ball mounts and it was a little rough. But it was great to be able to adjust the height to exactly the height i wanted (I never did cornor weight them, only had them for about 2 months then totaled my GSR). Only thing i did not like abou the TEIN's was the noise they made. Some time when you go over long bumps (kinda wavey) you can hear the gas/oil moving from one side of the chamber to the other side. Kind of a weird sound, but it almosted sound like they did not have enought fluid in them. Oh well that was then, and now for my ITR, I am looking for something that has a nice drop and is not expensive. However, I don't mind spending alot of money (spent over 1600 for the TEINS and uper mounts), but i think 1400 for steel non sleaved system is too expesive.

Craig
01 ITR

 

well, steel is fine if you live in a non-wintry climate. up here in VT, they are going to rust.

konis are great shocks, cheap, and adjustable. add a set of GC's, and voila.

 

IMHO the beauty of the Mugen Low down's are numerous depending on your needs: Perfect ride height, I like the stock ITR height, but I think an additional .75" is literally perfect. I outgrew slammed imports years ago I've heard(no personal experience unfortunatley) that the ride is great, smooth yet a bit more rigid and tight. The quality is of Mugen products is amazing. So for me they will be my future suspension. I do autocross occassionally and also drag race occassoinally but my R is basically my weekend cruiser.
My 0.2
M

 

The shocks are Showa, not Mugen, only Mugen springs. PRE ASSEMBLED is a bigger deal than you think. They just drop right in, no adjustments....that's what I want. I don't track my car either (but probably will). Even still, that would put me at 90% street, so that is what I am tuning for... I also don't feel the need for height adjustability. Aluminum body shocks run the risk of stripping, and can STILL rust (corrode). Last time I checked, general steel is still stronger than general aluminum...

 

What else is there?Well, I have Advanced design dampers.Steel is heavy.It doesn't snow here in Fla but for that kinda $$$ I can't see getting heavy steel shocks.My car isn't slammed It is 3/4 of an inch lower than stock.I selected my own spring rates(10k front 12k rear)It may be a bit harsh but I feel I got a lot of bang for the buck.For what I paid($1,300)I got 4 aliminum threaded body coilovers that are double adjustable with titanium internals and 4 Eibach race springs 8" free length in the front 7"inch in the rear.The car handels incredible.I had the shocks vavlved specifically for my car.Dave should remember Mark Allen who is no stranger when it comes to setting up Honda/Acuras he specified the valving to the designer for me.I think that they are great dampers and for the money you can't beat them.If you have to go JDM then go for it.I just think that your money could be better spent.

 

Dc2k-specR - do you happen to know the weight difference between the stock shocks and the Advance Design ones. $1300 is a good price - I thought they were about $1800 with springs?

I have the Lowdowns and I really like them. (I bought them used for $900, though.) Easy to install and on their softest setting they are not much more stiff than stock. I would recommend a rear Mugen bar with them though - they make the car understeer a little more than I would like.

The Avdance Designs were also on my mind - but I never felt like I had enough knowledge to specify appropriate shock valving.


[Modified by norice, 2:24 PM 8/14/2001]

 

They are about $1,800.My roommate owns a shop that is in really good standing with Ground control/Adv design.I should call them to see what they weigh.They are really light.When I recieved them they were all(4)in a box.I though that I was missing two shocks by the weight of it.All 4 of them weigh less than 1 of my old Koni's with a gc coilover on it.

 

I just talked to the guys at Ground control.The shocks I have are a little under 2.5lbs each that is with the gold colored perch on the shock.I am not sure what the stock ones weigh.

 

bu, bu, butttt wadda bout SPOOONNNNNNNN

 

What about them?$$$$$$$$$

 

So whats best for street/mountain/canyon runs???? is height adjustablity that important. Most of the time people lower it too much anywayz and they have crappy tires.. so it defeats the purpose. So is tein better or mugen for street/ and occasional mountain driving?

tjtruong

 

I don't care what anybody says...I love my Mugen Lowdown suspension. Height adjustability is nice and all but, how often do you change your ride height? The spring shock combo was designed specifically for the ITR. IMO, the Mugen Lowdown suspension is the best street/track setup for the money. The ride is nice and the handling is GREAT.

When you turn up the damping rate on the shocks you can really notice a difference. But, with them set at about 3 front and 2 rear they are perfect for the street.

I know there are other coilover setups that will out handle the Mugen Lowdown on the track. But for the street you just can't beat the Mugen Lowdown setup.

-kenji

 

kenji: you coming to any of the autoxs in sept?

 

hi my name is wayne I would like to know the ups and downs of this product... AFTER I F U C K I N G already purchased it...

haha

 

I have the Sport Damper Kit from Spoon (the yellow one) and I like them a lot. The height and the damping rate of the suspension are fixed. They are quite stiff for the streets but very good on the track. It lowered my car 2in in front and 1.5in at the rear which is conservative and still retains the usable geometry of the suspension. Sometimes it's good to be non-adjustable since you can concentrate on improving your driving rather than tunning. Remember, everytime you adjust the height of your car you have to realign it which is a hassle.


Charleston


[Modified by CivicFerio, 4:22 AM 8/15/2001]

 

DaveROR,

I will do my best to make it out to as many Autocrosses as I can. Email me.

-kenji