Halon fire systems........
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (.RJ)
sorry, yeah lets say you have it setup in your car and you have a engine fire and it sprays into the eng compartment but some gets into the passenger compartment and you inhale a little, is that bad?
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (1_bad_EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1_bad_EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry, yeah lets say you have it setup in your car and you have a engine fire and it sprays into the eng compartment but some gets into the passenger compartment and you inhale a little, is that bad?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You should always have a nozzle (or two) in the passneger compartment. One under your feet/crotch, the other in the rear (fuel tank/cell).
But no you shouldnt breathe it in... halon works by depriving the flame of oxygen, which is something that works about as effectively on us.
You should always have a nozzle (or two) in the passneger compartment. One under your feet/crotch, the other in the rear (fuel tank/cell).
But no you shouldnt breathe it in... halon works by depriving the flame of oxygen, which is something that works about as effectively on us.
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (.RJ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But no you shouldnt breathe it in... halon works by depriving the flame of oxygen, which is something that works about as effectively on us.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ironic, condisdering this is the same thing that alcohol does to the brain.....
have a halon cocktail!
Ironic, condisdering this is the same thing that alcohol does to the brain.....
have a halon cocktail!
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (1_bad_EF)
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (1_bad_EF)
We have a large Halon system here at work for our Data Center. Every year or two, we get a refresher training class on the Halon system.
Halon is effective at 5% of the atmosphere -- so you're still breathing a lot of oxygen. ...and yes, I understand that Halon bonds with Oxygen, but it only bonds with a small percentage -- enough to kill the fire.
That said, don't breathe Halon if you can help it, but if you do, it's not the end of the world.
BTW, it is harmful to the atmosphere (ozone layer) so the government banned production of Halon in the States. I think China is the only Country producing Halon today. All Halon used in the US is recycled halon.
[Edit: Added that greenhouse crap]
Halon is effective at 5% of the atmosphere -- so you're still breathing a lot of oxygen. ...and yes, I understand that Halon bonds with Oxygen, but it only bonds with a small percentage -- enough to kill the fire.
That said, don't breathe Halon if you can help it, but if you do, it's not the end of the world.
BTW, it is harmful to the atmosphere (ozone layer) so the government banned production of Halon in the States. I think China is the only Country producing Halon today. All Halon used in the US is recycled halon.
[Edit: Added that greenhouse crap]
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (1_bad_EF)
Halon is not going to available in the very near future.....you might want to look at an alternative........AFFF
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (SpiceyRice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpiceyRice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Halon is effective at 5% of the atmosphere -- so you're still breathing a lot of oxygen. ...and yes, I understand that Halon bonds with Oxygen, but it only bonds with a small percentage -- enough to kill the fire.
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That's basically what I was told as well. Safecraft told me that the notion that Halon "removes" oxygen from the area it's deployed in is incorrect. They said that it actually interupts the chemical chain reactions, but doesn't completely deplete the area of oxygen. You can still breath in an area which has Halon present. It wouldn't be a good idea to suck up a bunch of the stuff, but it's only present in a small percentage of the area it's released in, and dissapates when it hits fire.
I was also told that although it's illegal to produce new Halon in the US, that there is a large enough supply to refill existing containers for about 100 years or something. Unless the gov makes it illegal to "use" Halon, I think we're safe for a while. Most places that sell Auto or Aviation systems can refill Halon systems. I don't think anything works better in an enclosed space.
I found On Track Performance Solutions thru one of the posts here. Mark is a great guy. I ordered a 5 pound Safecraft system from him. His number is
248-684-6030. Sure he'd be willing to answer your Q's.
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That's basically what I was told as well. Safecraft told me that the notion that Halon "removes" oxygen from the area it's deployed in is incorrect. They said that it actually interupts the chemical chain reactions, but doesn't completely deplete the area of oxygen. You can still breath in an area which has Halon present. It wouldn't be a good idea to suck up a bunch of the stuff, but it's only present in a small percentage of the area it's released in, and dissapates when it hits fire.
I was also told that although it's illegal to produce new Halon in the US, that there is a large enough supply to refill existing containers for about 100 years or something. Unless the gov makes it illegal to "use" Halon, I think we're safe for a while. Most places that sell Auto or Aviation systems can refill Halon systems. I don't think anything works better in an enclosed space.
I found On Track Performance Solutions thru one of the posts here. Mark is a great guy. I ordered a 5 pound Safecraft system from him. His number is
248-684-6030. Sure he'd be willing to answer your Q's.
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (Shortbus)
i could be wrong.....but i have been told that most sanctioning bodies are going to disallow the use of Halon...........it could be propaganda, I don't know for sure, but it's what I have been told..........anyway AFFF is much cheaper on a refill and you can do it yourself.....
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (Maxx44)
I heard the same rumor at one point but.... not sure if there's any truth to it or not. I thought about going to AFFF, but I'm familiar (comfortable with) Halon. If they do make Halon illegal, I'll look you up.
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Re: Halon fire systems........ (1_bad_EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1_bad_EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry, yeah lets say you have it setup in your car and you have a engine fire and it sprays into the eng compartment but some gets into the passenger compartment and you inhale a little, is that bad?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not as bad as breathing in flames, 2000 degree heat or smoke.
Pull the fire bottle cable and get the hell out!
Not as bad as breathing in flames, 2000 degree heat or smoke.
Pull the fire bottle cable and get the hell out!
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