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Jesus help me with this timingbelt PLEASE!!

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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 03:31 PM
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Well i have a 98 gsr motor at my uncles im getting ready to put in. All i have left to do is a new clutch, timing belt and a water pump. Well i went over there today to do the waterpump and timing belt. Well I got the new belt and pump from the local Acura dealership but when i got to my uncles the timing belts looked a tad different. Both read " Honda 14400-p72-014" and "126ru26" but where the old has 3 parallel lines going the width of the belt. The new has 4. Anyway they both have 126 teeth and line up as far as i can tell. Well we got the crank pulley off and started on it. We marked spots on the cam gears for some marks on the new belt to make sure it lined up right. Well Once we got the belt off and changed the waterpump....we tried to put the new one on and I notced the cam gears were not where they were before. So I'm now thinking...great im fucked because my timng is off. Well what i wanna know is.....If the #1 (closest to the crank pulley im guessing) cylinder is at TDC, are the cam gear arrows supposed to point up? I need this info for my timing because i really do not wanna blow this thing up the first time i try to start it. We put the new belt on anyway to see if it would fit. On the side where the belt goes straight from the cam gear to the crank it was a little loose. Everything else was fine it seemed like. The main thing is the cam gears have been knocked outta place while the crank remained in the same position and i wanna know how to get things back where they should so i dont bend my valves to all hell. Please help if you can. Thank you

Andrew
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Jesus help me with this timingbelt PLEASE!! (dreweg)

-double check to see if you got the right parts... or call them and give them part numbers.. they should tell you what you got..

-get a service manual..

good luck man
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 03:53 PM
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Default Re: Jesus help me with this timingbelt PLEASE!! (hoya_10fintec)

cams WILL move slightly from the pressure of the valve springs. Here's what I do on B series...

pull crank pulley off and slide belt over crank gear. put back on timing belt cover AND crank pulley- basically like you're done.

Line up the crank pulley with the tiiming belt cover marks.

Make sure the belt tensioner is loose.

Line up cams at TDC and pull belt over the top of them. You might need someone to hold one of the cam gears in place so it doesn't move.

rotate 3 teeth counter clockwise and tighten tensioner. Rotate the engine 2 or 3 times and make sure everything lines back up at TDC at the same time
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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When you say line up crank pulley with the cover marks.....is there a mark on the plastic cover and the pulley? Is that what you're saying? Also once i have the belt on i should move the cam gears 3 teeth counter clockwise then tighten the tensioner? Sorry I just wanna make sure i got this right. Also top dead center is when the arrow points up correct? Thanks man
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 05:20 PM
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yes. There should be an arrow that you use for timing the ignition.

Use this mark on the timing belt cover and line up the 2 osolated marks on the crank pulley which correspond to TDC, line them up with the timing belt cover marks. This put the #1 and 3 cylinders at TDC

After you rotate the engine 3 teeth, YES< then you tighten the tesnioner.

I drew a picture



If it's a D series, the timing belt cover marks are on the firewall side of the crank pulley. Radiator side for the B series
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 05:37 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dreweg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you say line up crank pulley with the cover marks.....is there a mark on the plastic cover and the pulley? Is that what you're saying? Also once i have the belt on i should move the cam gears 3 teeth counter clockwise then tighten the tensioner? Sorry I just wanna make sure i got this right. Also top dead center is when the arrow points up correct? Thanks man</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just for a bit more detail:

Yes the lower timing belt cover has a mark with which you should line up the white mark on the crank pulley. As for the cam gears, make sure both arrows point UP, and make sure the little dots on edge of the gear teeth line up with each other (directly across from each other).

After you get the belt on, tighten the tensioner, rotate the engine through about 6 revolutions, loosen the tensioner bolt 180 degrees, rotate the engine by another 3 teeth (basically just a few degrees), then retighten the tensioner bolt and torque it to spec. That's the procedure for tensioning the belt according to the Helm's manual. Good luck.
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 06:36 PM
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Sweet thanks a lot for the help guys. I really appreciate it. By chance would any of you know the torque specs or the tensioner bolt? I know the crank pull bolt along with the others...just not that one. If not it's not biggie i will find it. Thanks again
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 07:04 PM
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it should be 33 ft lbs
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Old Jun 1, 2003 | 07:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ErinWantsAnSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Just for a bit more detail:

Yes the lower timing belt cover has a mark with which you should line up the white mark on the crank pulley. As for the cam gears, make sure both arrows point UP, and make sure the little dots on edge of the gear teeth line up with each other (directly across from each other).

After you get the belt on, tighten the tensioner, rotate the engine through about 6 revolutions, loosen the tensioner bolt 180 degrees, rotate the engine by another 3 teeth (basically just a few degrees), then retighten the tensioner bolt and torque it to spec. That's the procedure for tensioning the belt according to the Helm's manual. Good luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is so funny. God this is so funny. Correct none the less!!!

Keep check on this belt though. A simple tear can mean trouble. I had a brand new one break!
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