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Old May 6, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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I was at the quarter mile with car and went from third to neutral instead of 4th. The car bounced of the rev limiter pretty hard. When I pulled in the pit area I noticed that the exhaust tone sounds different and the car idled rough. The chack engine light came on. I got the codes on it..71-74...or random misfiring. I talked to somebody and they told me my plugs may be messed up, so I changed them today, the #3 plug fas fauled out after that the cel went off, but then later it came back with the same rough and shaky idle. Im coming to a conclution that my #3 fuel injector is messed up because when i disconnect the connector nothing happens to the engine rpm, its like theres nothing there. But when I pull any other injector connector the car dies down. Does anybody have any advise...

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I also listened to my valve train with the screwdriver trick, everything sounds fine.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 02:16 PM
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Did you just hit the rev limiter in neutral?

Or did you actually put it into a gear and overrev it, above the fuel cut/rev limit?
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Old May 6, 2003 | 02:27 PM
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No just neutral.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 02:32 PM
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Do a leakdown test to check for bent valves
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Old May 6, 2003 | 02:36 PM
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Thanks Ill do that as soon as possible
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Old May 6, 2003 | 06:33 PM
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Sounds like bent exhaust valves to me. Good luck! Let us know what you find.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 07:35 PM
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Is that a major job to perform if I did bend the exhaust valves?
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Old May 6, 2003 | 08:02 PM
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Depends on your definition of major. The head has to come off.


Modified by b19coupe at 10:45 PM 5/6/2003
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Old May 6, 2003 | 08:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like bent exhaust valves to me. Good luck! Let us know what you find.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dito
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Old May 6, 2003 | 08:53 PM
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i dont see how u can hurt anything by just boucing off the rev limiter in neutral. thats the whole reason it is there, so u dont **** up ur engine
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Old May 6, 2003 | 08:55 PM
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where are you located. its a long shot but if your around me, i got a valve spring compr. if you decide to check the valves and they are bent, we can pull them and put new ones. save ya lots of money. i am in NC BTW..
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buckshot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont see how u can hurt anything by just boucing off the rev limiter in neutral. thats the whole reason it is there, so u dont **** up ur engine</TD></TR></TABLE>

if he hit rev limiter, he could have not overreved, this must be related to sometning else.. i've done that many times and few times with raised rev limiter to 9K, i only hit the rev limiter once at 9K,

i'd think you should hit rev limiter in neutral therefore you can overrev..
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:45 PM
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check fuses and injectors.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:47 PM
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Do a compression test, that should give you a good indication of whether you bent valves or not.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:50 PM
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sounds like a bent valve
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Old May 6, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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What's the screw driver trick? Curious.
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Old May 7, 2003 | 12:00 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's the screw driver trick? Curious.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You use the screwdriver somewhat as a sound telescope, helps magnify the sound underneith the valve cover. Put your ear near the end of the screw driver... at least, thats how I understand it works.
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Old May 7, 2003 | 09:44 AM
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Im located in New York, but thanks for the help. I though that a bent valve would make a noice that I would hear with the screw driver??
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Old May 7, 2003 | 11:48 AM
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How about your distributor??

Check to see if you have spark coming from that plug.
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Old May 7, 2003 | 11:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00itr456 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was at the quarter mile with car and went from third to neutral instead of 4th. The car bounced of the rev limiter pretty hard. When I pulled in the pit area I noticed that the exhaust tone sounds different and the car idled rough. The chack engine light came on. I got the codes on it..71-74...or random misfiring.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have bent valves.

The only way you could have bent your valves was if you shifted from 3rd to 2nd. You cannot overrev the motor in neutral, the rev-limiter will prevent you from doing so.

You need to pull the head and replace the bent valves (which means your head will have to go to a machine shop).
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Old May 7, 2003 | 12:01 PM
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valves or knock sensor went out which is rare, but who knows!!!
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Old May 7, 2003 | 06:06 PM
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Why would I have to go to a machine shop to put valves in?
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Old May 7, 2003 | 06:11 PM
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You don't just install valves and call it a day. The seats should be machined and the valves lapped in so that you get a good seal. You might as well have a complete valve job done while the head is off, that way your engine will perform it's best. Just don't miss any more shifts
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