Guys, I'm retarded, but I want to remove the entire PS system, including the pump, and all lines. What extra part do I need to plug it? As of right now, I just want it out and later on I'm thinking about putting the breather kit on. Any diagrams would be helpful.

Yeash, I know where the search function is. But help a lazy stunna out y0! The Hype R is going through a new dieting program right now.

Thanks,

Len #1 Stunna

 

the fitting on the right is the one that goes on the steering rack. I then did a barbed fitting off that to some 3/8 inch hose

I did that, then used some fittings from orchard supply and t-d the soft line you are about to take off. then went to a small tiltons reservoir

 

Len
You can come look at my car if you want. I might have a 2nd set of fittings too. I know I got the male piece at AutoZone but don't remember where I got the female piece. I might have them still laying around (I got extras but it was months ago)

jeff

 

Breather system is not all that hard to do. Here is a list of parts:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=462824

 

ghetto rig is your friend, just loop them together and crimp it lol

 

i dont understand what is going on here. my PS was removed but I dont have any plugs or fittings or crimps in anything...where are these fittings and things located in the engine bay? i wanna check to see how the shop "plugged" my PS system.

 

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Did they leave any of the lines to the lower portion of the PS system in? If they didn't loop your rack, you will lose the fluid in the rack. Just take a quick look yourself, pretty easy to see what they did, or didn't do.

Ed

 

if you dont have PS, do you still need the fluid?

 

Well, think about it. The rack isn't going to be assisted by anything, no resivour like the power steering rack. People swap out integra racks to manual steering civic racks that fix the issue of needing to loop the PS rack.

Ed

 

I dont understand how PS works, so I think Im just lost. Ill take a look at my car and see if I can figure out what the hell is going on.

 

Could somebody tell me what advantage this will create and what are the pros/cons of this modification.

 

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Pros:
Reducing parasitic drag.
Light weight.
Substantially increased road feel.

Cons:
A bitch to 3 point turn and park.

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Just look on your lower firewall to see the rack.

 

the 3-pt turn is a ****...only drawback and parallel parking can kiss my *** now

 

yeah I've just had my belt off for a while...I love the feeling.

I was looking at the system more in-depth today. You need to remove the resevoir, front cooler line (attached to resevoir), pump assembly, and then I haven't looked under the car where the two lines from the resevoir connect to.

Good post timing Len!

taking off the belt is the easy part...
http://www.hogens.com/car/defa...x.php

 

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Pros:
Reducing parasitic drag.
Light weight.
Substantially increased road feel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

More room to mount HID Ballast and a wastegate of your choice.

 

My opninion is that you don't need the breather setup. I drained 90% of the fluid and just looped the inlet and outlet. The steering is very easy and there is still enough fluid inside for lubrication....

 

The breather system is there to handle the thermal expansion of the power steering fluid. (This expansion is evident in the slightly increased level of fluid in the breather reservoir after the car has been driven.)

I would doubt that this expansion is significant (if it were people who have just looped their racks would have reported failures by now), but a Tilton reservoir with fittings is only about $30 so it is cheap insurance.

 

If you drain some fluid there will be plenty of room (air) in the rack for the thermal expansion......

 

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More room to mount HID Ballast and a wastegate of your choice. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I already took advantage of one of those reasons... the other one is awaiting

 

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Which means that you have air in your hydraulic lines, which is sloppy design. And at least one user has reported steering 'dead spots' with this approach (though I don't know how common this issue is). The Realtime team (and others) use a breather approach on their ITRs, and they sure as hell are not adding components (and weight) to their cars for the hell of it.

 

Yup, I just looped the line as well. It works well enough for me. Granted the steering does seem a little "funny" sometimes I guess it's probably just air in the rack. I say for people if you just want to do it quick you can just loop it at first, and then add the reservoir later if you feel like it. I definetly don't think it's necessary to have the reservoir.

-Mike

 

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-Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't have that feeling with the steering. How much P/S fluid did you drain?

 

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But only the P/S system wants that fluid air free and its been removed(!) Or?

Anyway, I've put on something like 15k miles with my pump removed and lines just hooked to each other instead of pump. I have yet to have a steering mishap or any negative issues, instead I delight everyday in the feedback I get from the steering, and the extra power.
As for the air in the lines. Not ideal, but air is easy to compress so I don't see that affecting the amount of effort that goes into steering. Does not the ITR, have rack and pinion? I don't see how a little air is going to affect a mechanical linkage. But of course this is pure speculation--I'll just let my experience speak for itself: 15k without P/S, and never lookin back.

 

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I agree. I dont understand why people put a breather filter there?
I just plug the two holes up with correct sized Earl's pipe plug.
I think it looks cleaner than the breather system, cheaper, and works just
as good.

 

Update:

The loop system I used is ghetto rigged. I have to order a fitting and hose from work tomorrow.

Overall, it feels very stable at high speeds and at low speeds it's like I'm battling alot of fluid.

Oh well, guess I'll have to tap into that line and run a breather.

Thanks for all the help guys,

Len

I can definitely feel the car rev much smoother now.