turbo f22's
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turbo f22's
I'm trying to get it through my head what setup to run with ( as i change my mind damn near daily ). I want to get closest to 250whp as possible on a stock daily driven f series. I know the h23 ( the other engine that keeps running through my head ) can do this on 6-7 psi easy but i'm really not very mechanically inclined and paying 500 for an h23 + 800 for installation + turbo would move me to just stick with the f22 and turbo it.
Does anyone know what it would take to get the f22 - DAILY DRIVEN - into the 250 range ( or as close as possible ) on a stock block ?
btw, niedejb, i know your making the power i want on a f series but isn't your motor built ?
Does anyone know what it would take to get the f22 - DAILY DRIVEN - into the 250 range ( or as close as possible ) on a stock block ?
btw, niedejb, i know your making the power i want on a f series but isn't your motor built ?
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Re: turbo f22's (SleepersOwn)
250whp? You are talking about some real numbers in consideration to the F22 block. There is no way that you will see those numbers on a daily bases without blowing your motor everytime you get there. A fast car takes a lot of work and energy and money. LOL. IMO buildling your block before anything else is the best thing you can do because it begins to open the doors to many other possibilities. Don't try to get 250whp without building your block it is near impossible without blowing your motor.
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Re: turbo f22's (Canonm7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Canonm7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> There is no way that you will see those numbers on a daily bases without blowing your motor everytime you get there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhh, i think neidejb can prove that statement wrong. I think he reached that 250 and then started the build up. Of course i know i need a turbo, i was referring to move specifics. Trim size, management ( hondata ), max psi, things of that nature.
I've talked to some guys through pm on here that have turbo'd f22's and they haven't gotten the chance to take it to the dyno, or other problems occur resulting in their numbers to be inaccurate.
EDIT: I'm not looking for exactly 250whp which is why i said as close to it. I'd really be happy with 220+. I just need advice from exp'd people.
uhh, i think neidejb can prove that statement wrong. I think he reached that 250 and then started the build up. Of course i know i need a turbo, i was referring to move specifics. Trim size, management ( hondata ), max psi, things of that nature.
I've talked to some guys through pm on here that have turbo'd f22's and they haven't gotten the chance to take it to the dyno, or other problems occur resulting in their numbers to be inaccurate.
EDIT: I'm not looking for exactly 250whp which is why i said as close to it. I'd really be happy with 220+. I just need advice from exp'd people.
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Re: turbo f22's (SleepersOwn)
250? Not hard at all. I'm running 220 to the wheels right now with a full dsm setup. Right now I'm just using the SAFC hack with 450cc injectors so I cant go higher than 10psi. If you did the same setup I did and then went with a nice front mount intercooler and a stand alone unit you could hit that. Only cost you about 1500 too.
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Re: turbo f22's (SleepersOwn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepersOwn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know the h23 ( the other engine that keeps running through my head ) can do this on 6-7 psi </TD></TR></TABLE>
This has a ton more to do with it than just the engine. (Turbo sizing and manifold design is a bigger player in my opinion)
You should try to think of your goal in hp not boost. Lower psi on a higher compression engine isnt necessarily more safe than high psi on a low compression engine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepersOwn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw, niedejb, i know your making the power i want on a f series but isn't your motor built ? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The power and torque numbers I have made were all on the stock internals. I have not been to the dyno with the built F.
This has a ton more to do with it than just the engine. (Turbo sizing and manifold design is a bigger player in my opinion)
You should try to think of your goal in hp not boost. Lower psi on a higher compression engine isnt necessarily more safe than high psi on a low compression engine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepersOwn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw, niedejb, i know your making the power i want on a f series but isn't your motor built ? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The power and torque numbers I have made were all on the stock internals. I have not been to the dyno with the built F.
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Re: turbo f22's (niedejb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by niedejb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This has a ton more to do with it than just the engine. (Turbo sizing and manifold design is a bigger player in my opinion)
You should try to think of your goal in hp not boost. Lower psi on a higher compression engine isnt necessarily more safe than high psi on a low compression engine.
The power and torque numbers I have made were all on the stock internals. I have not been to the dyno with the built F.
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See this is why i'm glad you guys are here. I thought it was the higher psi you run the more power you get. I'm glad i got that theory straightened out.
So it sounds like it can be done fairly easily. But i have two questions to ask to make sure i'll be able to accomplish this.
1: How is daily driven reliability ? I know that you can run daily with a good setup but i really need this to work properly. I can take care of minor maintenance but i don't want something blowing up on me from improper care.
2: Since the turbo sizing, manifold etc deal with the power your getting, what size do i need ? What kind of settup should i run with for the street that i won't be lagging all crazy and still make the numbers ?
Thankz guys for clearing it up for me..i know i still have alot to learn, this is why i'm here.
This has a ton more to do with it than just the engine. (Turbo sizing and manifold design is a bigger player in my opinion)
You should try to think of your goal in hp not boost. Lower psi on a higher compression engine isnt necessarily more safe than high psi on a low compression engine.
The power and torque numbers I have made were all on the stock internals. I have not been to the dyno with the built F.
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See this is why i'm glad you guys are here. I thought it was the higher psi you run the more power you get. I'm glad i got that theory straightened out.
So it sounds like it can be done fairly easily. But i have two questions to ask to make sure i'll be able to accomplish this.
1: How is daily driven reliability ? I know that you can run daily with a good setup but i really need this to work properly. I can take care of minor maintenance but i don't want something blowing up on me from improper care.
2: Since the turbo sizing, manifold etc deal with the power your getting, what size do i need ? What kind of settup should i run with for the street that i won't be lagging all crazy and still make the numbers ?
Thankz guys for clearing it up for me..i know i still have alot to learn, this is why i'm here.
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Re: turbo f22's (SleepersOwn)
1. Hard to answer due to drivers having different habits. If you beat the crap out of it all the time....well you know.
2. The t3/t4b turbo that I have is probably the smallest you can go without getting into the stragiht t3's. The smaller a turbo is the less cfm at a given pressure. If you jump is turbo size you can get more flow at a lower psi. Try reading the FI forum if you want to know sizing. If I get another turbo it will be a t3/t4e (bigger than a b but still spools relatively quickly).
2. The t3/t4b turbo that I have is probably the smallest you can go without getting into the stragiht t3's. The smaller a turbo is the less cfm at a given pressure. If you jump is turbo size you can get more flow at a lower psi. Try reading the FI forum if you want to know sizing. If I get another turbo it will be a t3/t4e (bigger than a b but still spools relatively quickly).
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Re: turbo f22's (CD7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CD7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">About the turbo sizing, the ideal snail for the F22 is the T04E-50 trim compressor with a .63A/R turbine and stage 3 wheel.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It may be ideal for compressor efficiency, but thats huge. I wouldnt want that on my car.
It would take forever to spool. I dont need a 600 hp turbo.
It may be ideal for compressor efficiency, but thats huge. I wouldnt want that on my car.
It would take forever to spool. I dont need a 600 hp turbo.
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Re: turbo f22's (niedejb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by niedejb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I dont need a 600 hp turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL. Sure ya do, we ALL do!
LOL. Sure ya do, we ALL do!
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Re: turbo f22's (niedejb)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by niedejb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It would take forever to spool. I dont need a 600 hp turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Niether do i, lol thats just way too much hp that i plan on dealing with.
EDIT: okay cool, so a t3/t4e. I'll check the FI forum for trims, any help on injector size ? I doubt i'll spend more money to build it up so just whatever size gets this job done safely ?
It would take forever to spool. I dont need a 600 hp turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Niether do i, lol thats just way too much hp that i plan on dealing with.
EDIT: okay cool, so a t3/t4e. I'll check the FI forum for trims, any help on injector size ? I doubt i'll spend more money to build it up so just whatever size gets this job done safely ?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BottleFedDrag4LX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 450cc injectors should be fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So i can use some dsm injectors then. I was reading in the FI forum about the problem with the dsm injectors and the use of hondata, i think those injectors they had were just some of the ones that were faulty and i'm still gonna use hondata.
So i can use some dsm injectors then. I was reading in the FI forum about the problem with the dsm injectors and the use of hondata, i think those injectors they had were just some of the ones that were faulty and i'm still gonna use hondata.
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Re: turbo f22's (SleepersOwn)
your gonna have to ask the people who had problems with that..
I havent seen that to many times, but im sure there can be problems.
There is a commen word that goes with tubo, that word is problems.
I havent seen that to many times, but im sure there can be problems.
There is a commen word that goes with tubo, that word is problems.
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Re: turbo f22's (niedejb)
I actually have the TO4E on my turbo setup right now and it seems to work just fine. I can see boost as early as 3,000rpm, and it seems to spool relativly quickly. Yes, its potential does seem quite intimidating, (i.e. supporting up to 600 HP as said previously), but the turbo is quite ideal for the F22.
And about the injectors. What i did on mine was put prelude injectors (330cc) out of a 92-95 (not sure if those years are correct) Prelude vtec. That was a strait swap btw. They seem to get the job done under boost, but it was when i wasn't under boost that they starting creating problems. I found that are cars stock only have 240cc injectors, so when i put those prelude injectors in, it ran rich as hell and the ecm didn't like it at all. So in short, if you up your injetors to flow more, your going to have to put an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on to lower the pressure way down when under vacume.
And about the injectors. What i did on mine was put prelude injectors (330cc) out of a 92-95 (not sure if those years are correct) Prelude vtec. That was a strait swap btw. They seem to get the job done under boost, but it was when i wasn't under boost that they starting creating problems. I found that are cars stock only have 240cc injectors, so when i put those prelude injectors in, it ran rich as hell and the ecm didn't like it at all. So in short, if you up your injetors to flow more, your going to have to put an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on to lower the pressure way down when under vacume.
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