water vs. air cooled engines/turbo
well all cars now are water cooled so it obviously better, and i dont know if there are any air cooled turbos, all aftermarket ones are oil cooled, and some stocks are oil and water cooled, but all need oil.
IMHO air cooled engines are good, i don´t know much about them so this is just my opinion, water cooled engines can control a lot better the temps while the Air cooler engines are left at the mercy of the air, sometimes cold, sometimes hot.
Off course, every engine needs Oil to cool itself, but i gues water cooled is the best, if not then why would porsche change the 911 from air cooled to water cooled? (remember a new 911 has 5 radiators, i know is 2 water radiators, but i can´t remember if is 1 intercooler and 2 oil coolers or the other way around) and it was quite a bit of a change.
Off course, every engine needs Oil to cool itself, but i gues water cooled is the best, if not then why would porsche change the 911 from air cooled to water cooled? (remember a new 911 has 5 radiators, i know is 2 water radiators, but i can´t remember if is 1 intercooler and 2 oil coolers or the other way around) and it was quite a bit of a change.
Air cooled engines are terrible. If you got caught in traffic on a hot summer day, kiss your engine good-by! With no air flow your engine can't be cooled and it will overheat.
Water cooled is much better in almost every aspect. There is far more control over engine temps. This can will keep your engine at proper operating temps and allow it to preform better.
Water cooled is much better in almost every aspect. There is far more control over engine temps. This can will keep your engine at proper operating temps and allow it to preform better.
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Saabs beginning in 1988...
ps... We had an aircooled VW ('67) and it probably got hotter standing in traffic, but that was never a problem. It had a fan to blow air thru the ductwork around the cylinders, like d357r0y said about his Corvair. They didn't rely on vehicle motion like some motorcycles do. Geez, even my lawnmower engine has a blower, the vanes are cast into the flywheel.
But I believe the temperature swings during normal vs. hard running made aircooled engines too hard to control with EPA emmission rules getting stricter every year.
Modified by JimBlake at 7:41 AM 5/14/2003
Saabs beginning in 1988...
ps... We had an aircooled VW ('67) and it probably got hotter standing in traffic, but that was never a problem. It had a fan to blow air thru the ductwork around the cylinders, like d357r0y said about his Corvair. They didn't rely on vehicle motion like some motorcycles do. Geez, even my lawnmower engine has a blower, the vanes are cast into the flywheel.
But I believe the temperature swings during normal vs. hard running made aircooled engines too hard to control with EPA emmission rules getting stricter every year.
Modified by JimBlake at 7:41 AM 5/14/2003
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by joe_bocc »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Air cooled engines are terrible. If you got caught in traffic on a hot summer day, kiss your engine good-by! With no air flow your engine can't be cooled and it will overheat.
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I have a '65 corvair (air cooled). and in the 60s/early 70s they won almost every hill climb race they were entered in.. being that they do NOT overheat when driven hard. And as far as standing in traffic, they have a belt driven fan that keeps the temps down. :D
Also, Corvairs were the first mass produced car to have a turbo (oil cooled).
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I have a '65 corvair (air cooled). and in the 60s/early 70s they won almost every hill climb race they were entered in.. being that they do NOT overheat when driven hard. And as far as standing in traffic, they have a belt driven fan that keeps the temps down. :D
Also, Corvairs were the first mass produced car to have a turbo (oil cooled).
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1962 - both Corvair & Oldsmobile Jetfire came out with production turbos. But the Olds needed alcohol&water injection, and it didn't stay in production as long as the Corvair turbo.
But didn't GM have turbocharged diesels for years before that?
</TD></TR></TABLE>1962 - both Corvair & Oldsmobile Jetfire came out with production turbos. But the Olds needed alcohol&water injection, and it didn't stay in production as long as the Corvair turbo.
But didn't GM have turbocharged diesels for years before that?
I have always heard that the APEXi kit for 92-95 Civics, can be water cooled but they do not include steps to make it so in the instructions.
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But didn't GM have turbocharged diesels for years before that?
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Yeah, actually I think they did. I don't think it would be as fun to drive as my corvair though.
But didn't GM have turbocharged diesels for years before that?
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Yeah, actually I think they did. I don't think it would be as fun to drive as my corvair though.
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