just looking for input on what engine would be better for my swap. the car is a 93 del sol si. it is my daily driver, so i want reliability ((my bad) no turbo charger) and i drive 95% highway so i want the higher gearing of the gsr tranny. i also want the tranny to have an lsd. b18c1, i/h/e, adj cam gears, vafc, flywheel, lsd, and a 50 shot which would run a little over 7k$ with dyno time. or the spec r with just intake, cam gears and vafc with would be a little under 7K$ with dyno BUT id have to change the obd from 2 to 1. what do you guys think would be a better set up for a daily driver? thanks a lot.


[Modified by flydelsolsi, 6:16 PM 3/3/2003]


[Modified by flydelsolsi, 6:22 PM 3/3/2003]

 

you said "no fi", but then you mentioned a 50 shot


[Modified by vtecvoodoo, 10:14 AM 3/3/2003]

 

Without a doubt the b18specR, you need to use search though.

And as ^ mentioned, you mention you dont want to turbo, but you think n2o would be realiable? (that and when you run out of n2o you have to go pay someone to fill up your portalbe HP tank....) Stick to NA for your daily, you'll have power and reliability.


[Modified by splitime, 10:23 AM 3/3/2003]

 

i used the search but really couldnt find much on the spec r. pretty much everyone praises it, but i wasnt sure how it would be on for a daily driver from the high vtec engagement, high reving, and overall drivability. plus having to change the wiring a little bit to change from obd 2 to 1. thanks for the comments though. a 50 shot unreliable? the car will be tuned on the dyno, not a half asses set up. keep the comments coming, they are appreciated.

 

You obviously haven't done enough research yet...

You're copping an attitude with us by saying you already know what to do, yet at the same time you're making incorrect assumptions about the B18C-R/B18C5 motor.

The B18C1 with nitrous (not "NOS" unless you're using a Nitrous Oxide Systems kit) will be quicker for sure than a Type R motor, but it won't last as long and the quickness will only be temporary.

Keep reading, because right now you haven't found enough info on the R motor to make statements about it...

I happen to own an R motor and used to own a B18C1 right before it, so I know from first-hand experience the difference between the two.

Why not nitrous on the R motor?

 

sorry if i came across as having an attitude. i wasnt trying to. it was more of an inquiry into the daily drivability of the R. I have rode in gsr's before, but never in a type r, therefore I honestly dont have any first hand experience. im just sick of my d series and looking for the best upgrade. i wouldnt use nitrous on the R, too nice and rare of a motor to chance hurting. c1's are much easier to come by if i would happen to mess it up. sorry again.

 

go with the spec r if you are going all motor like you want.....but if you go fi (like turbo!! which i think is more reliable than NO2) then go gsr.....my .02

 

That's cool bro.

Well I can tell you that my B18C5 dynoed 25whp more than my old B18C1.

The same exact car ran 14.7 on street tires with the B18C1 and a 13.9 with the B18C5, so there's a good difference between the two in terms of pull. I have since swapped the same B18C5 into a 250lb. lughter car and ran 13.3@101mph with a 2.0 60 foot time - 1.8 60 footers will mean high 12's with my bolt-ons and V-AFC tuning.

You also get a closer-geared tranny with LSD with the B18C5 motor too.

I love the B18C1 motor, but if you can afford the B18C5 then get it. I have experienced both in the same exact car for over a year each and the B18C5 is much more fun to drive.

I rev mine to 8000rpm daily all the time and it never gives me any troubles - it was built to sustain such high revs on road courses. You probably won't ever drive the motor as hard as Honda designed it to be driven unless you like to hold the rpm at 7500 or so for long periods of time.

 

Now that's what I'm talking about!!!

A type R motor will take a 50 shot all day long.

And you'll still be fast without the nitrous too.

 

Yeah well there's some locals running 12.7-12.8 on 70-75 shots on B18C1 motors here in the Atlanta area - slicks of course. And a few 13.0s on 50 shots on slcks as well. These are stripped hatches for the most part.

If I hit 12.9 like I predict then I'd be very happy about that.

See the difference is I don't ever worry about my engine blowing up at all - ever. Imagine a 50 shot on a car that's already running 12.9 and trapping 102mph or so.

 

That's what I mean. Get a little 2lb bottle, tuck it up under the dash, and save it for "special occasions".
That's why I love nitrous. The extra stress on the motor is only there when you want it. The rest of the time your driving around in a perfectly reliable honda.