What's up ya'll this is my first post up here so don't be too harsh. I did a search on this and can't find much in comparison. I have a 94 ex coupe and obviously need a big upgrade. I kinda run a tight budget so i was wonderin which would be better for me? I'm thinkin for the price of swappin a b16, I could have built my d16 with the turbopanda package, apexi turbo and intercooler and fuel upgrades. From searchin on this set up, seems to be a pretty potent package. All i wanna know is since i'm running on a budget, is it that much worth it to get a b16 if i plan on boostin it eventually, and how much more worth it is it(numbers, hp, times.). I was also lookin at the prices to replace blocks if i happen to blow either one in the process of runnin high boost. Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanx. If it helps at all my d16 has like 125k on it.

 

Build what you have.

if you on a budget both are going to cost a pretty penny.

 

Going with a built d16 is going to cost you alot less money. You need to set a goal of what you want out of your car and engine. My GF's EK hatch is getting a fully built d16z6 and tranny. My power goal is 300whp on pump gas, and able to run 12's on street tires. Her car is 100% daily driven, so i have to be conservative with the parts and build that go into the project. Nevertheless, it should be a very interesting project for me. This is the first d-series engine that i have built and turbo'd (well a friend's, but we didnt build the engine). I will be posting pics and #'s late summer when its all finished. You can easily hit 300whp on a b16a btw. I think its neat to stand apart from everyone and have a fast turbo'd d-series.

 

My thoughts exactly, everyone in there mom around here has a b16 swap, and i thought being able to spank a couple with my lil stock engine would be exciting. Thanx for the input tho. jus wanted to double check somethin tho, would i be set with the apexi kit with intercooler and they're fuel upgrades even tho it's not legal here, the turbo panda kit, and a hondata. i wanna eventually run about 10psi daily and up to 15psi when i "need to". Would that list be suitable for that goal, if not what else would i need? thanx

 

If you are going to try and make 300whp go custom. Here is the line up on her d-build.

Block:
D16z6 block, stock sleeves, 9.5:1 wiseco rollerwave 77.5mm pistons, eagle rods, oem bearings, pumps, seals, timing belt.

Head:
D16z6 head, mild p&p, crower springs, retainers, turbo cam, stock cam gear, ss .5mm oversized valves, bronze valve guides, skunk2 intake manifold, 60mm gsr t-body.

Transmission:
00' ex transmission, quaife lsd, action stage 2 kevlar clutch, stock flywheel.

Turbo Kit:
Max-rev manifold, Tial 35mm HP wastegate, t3/t4oe 57 trim compressor, .48
a/r exhaust stage 3 wheel, 3" dp, 3" exhaust (ss, no cats/resonators), custom 2.5" intercooler piping, pwr intercooler 24x8x3" core, tial bov, 680cc injectors, resistor pack, hondata stage 2b, walboro intake fuel pump, stock fpr, stock fuel rail, greddy profec b w/remote button, greddy 52mm egt and boost gauges.

I am figuring 300whp on 14psi. I am dead in the heart of the compressor map at 14psi.


[Modified by boosted hybrid, 8:49 AM 2/17/2003]

 

Thanx man, so are u basically sayin, that i need exactly all of that to run high boost. I'm jus tryin to figure out if there are any corners i can cut safely, cuz of my budget, i jus don't wannna be savin for a year, i wanna be packin soon. Thanx again. And also it seems u put that setup together from different pieces, where would i be able to buy all this different stuff as apposed to a kit?



[Modified by 94EGproject, 7:27 AM 2/17/2003]

 

You gotta pay to play. It is alot of money when you initially look at it. In reality you are still 2,000-3,000 ahead over a b-series swap. With the internals all built you can be reassured that your engine will last along time with boost. What i have listed is what i feel is the bare bones you need to have a reliable, fast and fun car on the street. As the saying goes fast, cheap, reliable pick two.

 

I see, ok, last question promise man, lol, about how much altogther am i lookin at for that kinda setup, and where can aquire all the different parts since it's not a kit and some of ur stuff is custom?

 

The entire engine set-up is going to run around 5,000 for everything. Remember this is not factoring in labor costs. I do all my own engine building, welding, fabricating, etc when i do my cars. Shops will charge you a butt load for labor.

Try cheapturbo.com for wastegate and turbocharger parts, roadraceengineering.com for intercooler piping, flanges, gaskets, etc
Ninesecrx or earl for pwr radiators, intercoolers or quaife lsd's
Viren for injectors, wastegate, turbo, etc
http://www.ks-motorsports.com for clutch, hondata, max-rev turbo kit

Those are some places to get you started. The easiest thing for you to do is to go with a kit. The max-rev kit is the best on the market. 2KTEG is running a special on them for 2400.00 shipped with everything you need, minus fuel system.

 

That is new news, a D build w/ a 57trim/.63a/r.
I have been recommended a 50trim w/ .48a/r for my D16.
I am been looking into the 54trim also.

Good luck on the build.

 

Your right, i meant to put .48a/r housing. I just edited my post. I am thinking of the b-series housing i always use.

 

b16 SiR II swap - $1,950 shipped
RevHard 2C w/o fuel system - $2,550 shipped
EMS $475 shipped
Injectors - $300 shipped
Clutch - $400 installed
3bar - $75
$250 - Tunning.
270-300whp @ 10-14psi (Stock)

 

Where can I get an ems for 475 shipped?

 

Hondata Engine Management System (S100b) is $450

 

77.5mm bore on the stock sleeves, and you pushing fore 300whp????? This I have to see..

 

Seems kind of risky. You'll need sleeves for that so tack on at least another $850 to your total. Honestly I think a B18B or B16 swap with stock longblock is going to get you the same power for less money.

EDIT: I should say that with a BUILT SOHC you'll be capable of more power than most stock B series blocks, but if you only want 300, which will be very, very fast then a stock B series is up to the task.


[Modified by Hatchblack, 5:19 PM 2/17/2003]

 

Opps, you get me there. I meant 75.5mm. Its just a standard .5mm overbored to clean up the sleeves. I wrote that post at close to 3am last night, must have not been paying attention.

 

Well its all what you want to do. I have done tons of b-series turbo swaps. I havent tackled a d-series yet. I want to do something different, and see what the d-series can offer.

 

where can i get a 2nd gen b16 shipped for 1950? i thought Hmotors had good deals and they want like 2600 shipped on their site. LOL everyones pullin me in different directions now. I'm tryin to figure out the cheapest way to get the most reliable power. I'll have about 4500-5000 to budget this on over the next 4-5 monthes. So for around that one says i can achieve 300hp with my d16, and one says i can get a b16 and get the same performance w/o building. I wanna be diff(d16), but i also want room for options later on. Someone help me choose! LOL thanx

 

If you go with a thicker headgasket, arp headstuds you can run 12-14psi daily on pump gas. I did this combination for a few months to get my car running and back on the road. I was making at least 350whp on 14psi, the car was fast.

 

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30002

 

it's goign to cost alot more then what that list adds up too.

 

B16 = $2000+

High compression Z6 = under $1000 and will have more power than DOHC B16.

This is also with STOCK Honda parts!

Fear the D.

 

I don't know about "alot"
But misc things always come along. But that is the big items.
I can't think of anything else. . . .
Maybe other bolt-on's and such.

What do you think i'm missing from the list? Because that's more-or-less my build-up.