450 turbo h22
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450 horse turbo h22
i have read several topics that pertain to turbo's but none really seem to answer the basic overall question of how many horses can actually be attained going boosted and how many horses does it take before block failure. im really thinking of dropping a t4 turbo into my car with teh usual turbo upgrades and i wanna know what works. here is my list of what I THINK i'll need. maybe you guys can fill me in on **** i'm missing.
9:1 or 8:1 piston heads???
total seal piston rings
piston rods
skunk2 turbo cam shaft
" " valves
" " valve springs
" " retainers
intake manifold
type s throttle body
t4 turbo
fuel pressure regulator
fuel rail
fuel injectors
ecu upgrade (to what???)
stage 3 clutch
what else guys??? i wanna show the world theres more to imports then just civics and integras. thanx a bunch.
[Modified by myh22, 7:40 PM 1/29/2003]
9:1 or 8:1 piston heads???
total seal piston rings
piston rods
skunk2 turbo cam shaft
" " valves
" " valve springs
" " retainers
intake manifold
type s throttle body
t4 turbo
fuel pressure regulator
fuel rail
fuel injectors
ecu upgrade (to what???)
stage 3 clutch
what else guys??? i wanna show the world theres more to imports then just civics and integras. thanx a bunch.
[Modified by myh22, 7:40 PM 1/29/2003]
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Re: 450 horse turbo h22 (myh22)
DO NOT USE TOTAL SEAL RINGS!!!!! they suck
you will want to re- sleeve the block with iron sleeves.... benson, darton, or golden eagle, they will hold FAR more boost pressure then the stock sleeves would even think about
do not go below 9:1 compression ratio, i left mine at 10:1 myself
you will want to re- sleeve the block with iron sleeves.... benson, darton, or golden eagle, they will hold FAR more boost pressure then the stock sleeves would even think about
do not go below 9:1 compression ratio, i left mine at 10:1 myself
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Re: 450 horse turbo h22 (myh22)
Stay with a 9:1 piston, lower then stock and great for high power applications. Hastings are great pistons rings to use with JE pistons. As for rods, try out some crowers or Eagle's.
Have your block sleeved as mentioned before, stock cylinders can only hold so much boost pressure but remember... tuning is the key in the factor of how much pressure they can hold. Also, you cant use forged pistons in any H series blocks, you must have them iron sleeved due to the FRM coating. $800ish
As far as ecu, i would look into the hondata stage 4b or s200 with boost. Then have it dyno tuned by a proffessional. Tuning is the key. http://www.hondata.com and talk to "Rocket" on this board about ordering one, they have great prices. $600-$900 plus $250-400 for tuning.
If you want around 450whp you are going to need 720cc injectors, fuel rail, upgraded fuel lines (-8an feed -6an return). Stock lines are good for up to around 300-330whp then you want to upgrade them. Then youll probably want the walbro 255 intank fuel pump, a paxton/aeromotive fuel pump and maybe adj fuel pressure regulator. Your looking at an easy $1450-$1600 for all this.
As far as your turbo, a t4 is a great choice. The t4 60-1 with .63 or .82 ar trim will definetely help you reach your goal. Talk to the guys at http://www.cheapturbo.com $800-$1000 for non ball-bearings.
Now you will have to select an intercooler that will flow the 450whp that you are looking for. As for turbo manifolds, you might want to look into http://www.full-race.com for a nice one ($1300) or the http://www.sparkracing.com one is really nice ($450ish). Drag gen 4's should be available late spring.
While you are messing with your valve-train you might as well have your head port and polished by a reputable company while you are at it.
Now to keep the power on the ground you'll need a true LSD, i recommend quaife ($750-800). Then you'll need stronger axles, the DSS stage 2 or stage 3 would be nice ($500-900).
Honda OEM bearings, gaskets, seals, etc. $500
Coolant - Fluidyne Aluminum radiator and slim fit fans $500ish
ARP head studs $100ish
I hope you have a good $12-$15k to spend to ensure you reach your goal... All of my price quotes are rough estimates and there are still a number of other things that i know i left off of this list. You can go the cheap way and do some things half-assed but realize your set up is only as good as your weakest component. Do it right the first time or pay twice as much doing it your second time. As far as labor charges for the engine assembly that depends on the shop you choose, usually its around $1000-$2000. Dont let me get you down, im just letting you know whats up before you get into the game. Until then, start hanging out more in the Forced Induction forum and use the search engine on h-t and you'll find just about every answer to any questions that you have.
[Modified by GudeH23a, 7:07 PM 1/29/2003]
Have your block sleeved as mentioned before, stock cylinders can only hold so much boost pressure but remember... tuning is the key in the factor of how much pressure they can hold. Also, you cant use forged pistons in any H series blocks, you must have them iron sleeved due to the FRM coating. $800ish
As far as ecu, i would look into the hondata stage 4b or s200 with boost. Then have it dyno tuned by a proffessional. Tuning is the key. http://www.hondata.com and talk to "Rocket" on this board about ordering one, they have great prices. $600-$900 plus $250-400 for tuning.
If you want around 450whp you are going to need 720cc injectors, fuel rail, upgraded fuel lines (-8an feed -6an return). Stock lines are good for up to around 300-330whp then you want to upgrade them. Then youll probably want the walbro 255 intank fuel pump, a paxton/aeromotive fuel pump and maybe adj fuel pressure regulator. Your looking at an easy $1450-$1600 for all this.
As far as your turbo, a t4 is a great choice. The t4 60-1 with .63 or .82 ar trim will definetely help you reach your goal. Talk to the guys at http://www.cheapturbo.com $800-$1000 for non ball-bearings.
Now you will have to select an intercooler that will flow the 450whp that you are looking for. As for turbo manifolds, you might want to look into http://www.full-race.com for a nice one ($1300) or the http://www.sparkracing.com one is really nice ($450ish). Drag gen 4's should be available late spring.
While you are messing with your valve-train you might as well have your head port and polished by a reputable company while you are at it.
Now to keep the power on the ground you'll need a true LSD, i recommend quaife ($750-800). Then you'll need stronger axles, the DSS stage 2 or stage 3 would be nice ($500-900).
Honda OEM bearings, gaskets, seals, etc. $500
Coolant - Fluidyne Aluminum radiator and slim fit fans $500ish
ARP head studs $100ish
I hope you have a good $12-$15k to spend to ensure you reach your goal... All of my price quotes are rough estimates and there are still a number of other things that i know i left off of this list. You can go the cheap way and do some things half-assed but realize your set up is only as good as your weakest component. Do it right the first time or pay twice as much doing it your second time. As far as labor charges for the engine assembly that depends on the shop you choose, usually its around $1000-$2000. Dont let me get you down, im just letting you know whats up before you get into the game. Until then, start hanging out more in the Forced Induction forum and use the search engine on h-t and you'll find just about every answer to any questions that you have.
[Modified by GudeH23a, 7:07 PM 1/29/2003]
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