i already have a new cai and a full exhaust as well as a few other things and im lookin for my next mod. im looking at either a new intake manifold or new cams. wich will have the most power gain and wich will be less expensice? ive read that cams will prodce the most power but only if you get nice ones but im not really shure how pricing goes. i know i could get some itr or str cams for like 3 or 4hun but how kind of hp gain will that be? also wich will be easier to install? im thinkin cams will. thanks

 

moderate boosting custom turbo

 

Yeah you're kind of where I am with mods. I've heard that with what you have, the IM won't give u much power, if any. Go with ITR cams or Skunk2 stage 1's if you have the money. from inlinefour.com theyre about $700

 

i'm looking at getting the zex cams -$475 a pair -made by comp cams -so there good quality ,evans honda specialist recommended them to me -there stage 2 says valvetrain upgrade required. so type r springs and retainers are coming my way, but they sell a "more aggresive type-r cam" but no valvetrain upgrade is required -just "recommended"

 

and where would one get those cams?

 

when buying cams you get what you pay for. i would save up for some skunk2 stage 1-about 750. they have a mad vtec spike that when tuned properly with i/h/e, cat, fpr- they can produce gains in the double digits no problem. ctr cams are the same as 200-2001 itr cams and if you go any higher than stock redline on your car you are going to have to consider springs, retainers and possibly valves if you get very aggressive cams. also go to team-integra.net sign up and read the articles on the cam specs and the effects they have with compression. they even have a compression and cam simulator that will give you an idea as to what gains you can expect. good luck and think about it. personally i am gonna go with skucnk stage 1 and if the money isn't there then itr2001-never buy used cams also unless you know the motor and the person they came from

 

ive seen those tuned w/ all those mods which gained minimal whp. so theres two sides to every story. besides stage 1 make power past the stock redline..so you'd have to be upgrading the rest of the valvetrain anyway to squeeze the most out of them.

 

he asked cams or IM, not a 7000 dollar upgrade.

 

[QUOTE]when buying cams you get what you pay for. i would save up for some skunk2 stage 1-about 750.

i seem to recall that skunk2 couldn't even make a shift **** right, they were recalled, that pretty much turned me against skunk2 products, them having such a high profile name and reputation, then selling $60+ crap shift *****, pretty bad IMO

 

he asked cams or IM, not a 7000 dollar upgrade.

$7K LOL a custom turbo does not cost anywhere near $7K, used turbo manifold $200, used volvo T3 $100, piping about $100 MAX, 6:1 fmu $75, DSM injectors $75, fuel pump $100. Boost 4-5lbs max on that and you will get A LOT more power than any set of cams or IM

 

hey i forgot to mention that i already have uprgaded valve springs. what else would i need for new "valvertain"? also what are the major ride differences between the skunk stage1 and stage2 besides like 60 bucks.

 

you may wanna consider the dual valve springs, new titanium retainers would be a good add too, maybe even lightweight SS valves

 

just because some stoner inmexico forgot to set the thread pitch fro the shift **** right the first time doesn't mean that skunk doesn't make quality components. those shift ***** are made by an alternate amnufacurer. not skunk. hell anyonw who was willing to spend 60 bux on a shiftknob doesn't really have the right decision making skills in the first place. as far as the skunk2 stage 1 cams not amking any power, your nutz i have a friend who jsut dynoed his type r and he had a mad vtec spike at 5500 rpm. it went up 35 hp, not shitting- his mods are the basics i/h/cat/e hondata tuning and redline set up at stock for now. i will find the link and post it. he even has the dyno shart up there.

 

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/di...1&ThreadPage=1

 

B18C1, Skunk2 Stage 1 cams , VTEC at 5000 rpm, AEM CAI, Skunk2 IM, full SMSP 2.5 in. OD exhaust system B18C1, Skunk2 Stage 1 cams , VTEC at 5000 rpm, AEM CAI, Skunk2 IM, full SMSP 2.5 in. OD exhaust system:


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B18C5 with Skunk2 Stage 1 cams , VTEC at 5600 rpm, leaned down fuel controller settings, FPR 52 psi @WOT, 11.3CR, Comptech Icebox, Toda header, 2.5 in. exhaust system (testpipe) in blue, Exhaust removed in red. 200 peak whp. B18C5 with Skunk2 Stage 1 cams , VTEC at 5600 rpm, leaned down fuel controller settings, FPR 52 psi @WOT, 11.3CR, Comptech Icebox, Toda header, 2.5 in. exhaust system (testpipe) in blue, Exhaust removed in red. 200 peak whp.

 

so you guys tell me are the Skunk2 stage 1 cams worth it? YESSS shake your heads up and down that's right you're admitting you were wrong and i accept your apologies. j/k guys but you can see that with proper tuning 200 is very reachable with either the b18c1 or c5 and skunk2 stage 1 cams

 

haha...motors are different. i've seen differences of over 15 whp on different cars( same motor, ie. b18c1 vs. b18c1) with the same mods. just because one car put out good numbers w / stage 1s does not mean that every single other car will do the same.

 

lol...then YOU go w/ that setup. i was talking about a reliable full setup, which in my opinion, necessitates a built block and engine management, with a quality kit such as a drag. **** if were talking about components that have over 100k on them, u can probably get some JUN 3s w/ that mileage on them for 50 bucks.

 

hey all motor most engines are going to be relatively the same unless they have compression problems. but most engines will push out the same numbers minus/plus 5% which i think is a variable that really depends on the motor and no the mods. but you cna't deny that 200 is reachable with the skunks itr and ctr cams wouldn't even come close even if you were running a full 2.5" h/cat/e. which is the point i was trying to make

 

im not denying they can...but im not denying that some w/ skunk2 stage 1s have made power in the 160s either.

 

like i said it dependson the compression rating if they worked the bottom endo f the motor and came up with a higher compression ration they will be able to push higher numbers at the sacrifice of a higher octane gas. sure a stock vtec with no tuning or modsd for hte fuel map will put out 160 but if you do it right youcan achive numbers like those that i posted above. nothing is impossible with proper tuning and design layout.

 

shich is something that should be considered when you are delving into a project like this. have a plan stick to it and see what happens-researchis your best friend in situations like this

 

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$7K LOL a custom turbo does not cost anywhere near $7K, used turbo manifold $200, used volvo T3 $100, piping about $100 MAX, 6:1 fmu $75, DSM injectors $75, fuel pump $100. Boost 4-5lbs max on that and you will get A LOT more power than any set of cams or IM


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lol...then YOU go w/ that setup. i was talking about a reliable full setup, which in my opinion, necessitates a built block and engine management, with a quality kit such as a drag. **** if were talking about components that have over 100k on them, u can probably get some JUN 3s w/ that mileage on them for 50 bucks.
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boosting 4-5lbs would not necessitate stand alone mgmt or a built block, any modern day motor should easily be able to take 5lbs

 

yes i know this. anyways, this topic is about cams and intake manifolds, so lets keep on the subject.