SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why?
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SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why?
so my local shop guy has a b16a sir1 engine sitting in a crate. the sir1 is a cable clutch right? and its non obd right? the 92-95 sir2 is obd1 right? tnx. and the swap into my car is a basic bolt in right, no custom shizzel right?
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (tek_civic)
SIR II is a bolt in. SIR I is cable, obd-0, lower power, older, different mounts, ect. Not worth it at all! Do SIR II or 94-up integra powerplants for your swap 
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (TeamUntouchableRacing)
I think the SirII was specifically OBDI, if you want an OBDII b16 you would be looking at either the USDM 96+ b16a3 or the 99-00 b16a2. I might be wrong on this but i am almost positive.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (tealeh2)
All USDM obd 2 b16 engines are B16a2's. The b16a3 was only in the 94-95 del-sol and was obd-1. In 96-97 they switched to obd-2 in the del sol and put the b16a2 in which is the same motor that went in the 99-00 si's.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (nsxmatt)
All USDM obd 2 b16 engines are B16a2's. The b16a3 was only in the 94-95 del-sol and was obd-1. In 96-97 they switched to obd-2 in the del sol and put the b16a2 in which is the same motor that went in the 99-00 si's.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (tek_civic)
I got a B16A from Japan that is dated 89, 90 I think.
Its just sitting there. I want to covert it over to OBDI and stick it in my car.
I just don't have the funds or knowledge to do it right now.
Its just sitting there. I want to covert it over to OBDI and stick it in my car.
I just don't have the funds or knowledge to do it right now.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (tek_civic)
damn.. i hate wrong info being spread out on the web.
SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
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SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (B_Cruz)
It's just the way they are classified to make it easy to identify and have been for as long as I can remember. SIR I is the non-obd swap for the 88-91 Civic/Crx and the SIR II is the obd-1 92-95 Civic/Del-sol swap. Sorry if it makes you mad 
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (one-syk)
sirI=160 hp ,cable and obdo and need a mount kit to go into a gen5 civic
sirII=170 hp hydro,obd1 no mount kit needed drops right in
correct me if im wrong
sirII=170 hp hydro,obd1 no mount kit needed drops right in
correct me if im wrong
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (nsxmatt)
It's just the way they are classified to make it easy to identify and have been for as long as I can remember. SIR I is the non-obd swap for the 88-91 Civic/Crx and the SIR II is the obd-1 92-95 Civic/Del-sol swap. Sorry if it makes you mad
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (nsxmatt)
It's just the way they are classified to make it easy to identify and have been for as long as I can remember. SIR I is the non-obd swap for the 88-91 Civic/Crx and the SIR II is the obd-1 92-95 Civic/Del-sol swap. Sorry if it makes you mad
this is the way ive heard it mostly too.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (B_Cruz)
thats the biggest bullshit i have heard.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (nsxmatt)
Ok, for the record I didnt refer to them as SirI or SirII engines, I just didnt bother to correct his mistake, which is just as bad.
The correct or most common correct terms are 1st gen b16a and 2nd gen b16a. Both stamps on either block say b16a with no numbers afterwards. The statement that SirI and SirII are trim models is absolutely correct even though there were CRX Sir's as well. Like I said, the only true OBDII b16's are the 96-97 b16a3 from the del sol vtec's and the 99-00 b16a2 from a Civic Si coupe.
The correct or most common correct terms are 1st gen b16a and 2nd gen b16a. Both stamps on either block say b16a with no numbers afterwards. The statement that SirI and SirII are trim models is absolutely correct even though there were CRX Sir's as well. Like I said, the only true OBDII b16's are the 96-97 b16a3 from the del sol vtec's and the 99-00 b16a2 from a Civic Si coupe.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (B_Cruz)
damn.. i hate wrong info being spread out on the web.
SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
[Modified by B_Cruz, 4:50 PM 12/12/2002]
SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
[Modified by B_Cruz, 4:50 PM 12/12/2002]
Actually SiR hatches were available in OBD1 EG chassis. They were basically like our Si hatch, but with a B16A in it with the 170hp and hydro tranny.
SiRII was a package that included body-matched trims and mirrors, ABS, among other chassis options - the motors are identical.
The proper way to adress the two main typs of JDM B16A are:
First-generation: cable tranny, 158-160hp depending on who you ask. Stock motor in the EF chassis CR-X and Civic and some DA Integras.
Second-generation: hydro tranny, 170hp, bolts into the 1992-1995 Civic.
Does this make sense?
Yeah maybe it's ****, but it's just wrong to call them SiRI and SiRII.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (B18C5-EH2)
damn.. i hate wrong info being spread out on the web.
SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
[Modified by B_Cruz, 4:50 PM 12/12/2002]
Yeah I've been trying to spread this good word for the longest damn time now too.
Actually SiR hatches were available in OBD1 EG chassis. They were basically like our Si hatch, but with a B16A in it with the 170hp and hydro tranny.
SiRII was a package that included body-matched trims and mirrors, ABS, among other chassis options - the motors are identical.
The proper way to adress the two main typs of JDM B16A are:
First-generation: cable tranny, 158-160hp depending on who you ask. Stock motor in the EF chassis CR-X and Civic and some DA Integras.
Second-generation: hydro tranny, 170hp, bolts into the 1992-1995 Civic.
Does this make sense?
Yeah maybe it's ****, but it's just wrong to call them SiRI and SiRII.
SI-R 1 and SI-R2 are trim levels. People think it has something to do with obd0 and obd1 but it doesn't.
for the 91.5-94.5 (in japan) EG6 and the (94.5-99.5) EK's, SIR 1 and SIR2 were just trim levels. One of them was basically a CX/VX chassis with a B16A and the other one was a SI chassis with a B16A.
[Modified by B_Cruz, 4:50 PM 12/12/2002]
Yeah I've been trying to spread this good word for the longest damn time now too.
Actually SiR hatches were available in OBD1 EG chassis. They were basically like our Si hatch, but with a B16A in it with the 170hp and hydro tranny.
SiRII was a package that included body-matched trims and mirrors, ABS, among other chassis options - the motors are identical.
The proper way to adress the two main typs of JDM B16A are:
First-generation: cable tranny, 158-160hp depending on who you ask. Stock motor in the EF chassis CR-X and Civic and some DA Integras.
Second-generation: hydro tranny, 170hp, bolts into the 1992-1995 Civic.
Does this make sense?
Yeah maybe it's ****, but it's just wrong to call them SiRI and SiRII.
saying the sir 1 is cable and sir 2 is hydro may be what people hear most of the time, but it is still wrong, and should not really be used for 'convenience'
this type of misinformation can affect some pretty expensive desicions people are making.
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Re: SiR1 or SiR2 engine(b16a) whi is better and why? (EG6-B18C6)
saying the sir 1 is cable and sir 2 is hydro may be what people hear most of the time, but it is still wrong, and should not really be used for 'convenience'
this type of misinformation can affect some pretty expensive desicions people are making.
It's just like the EG ect. label people use. You know it's wrong but everyone knows what your talking about. Our fourm is even labled EG so you see what i'm saying.
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