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Old Jan 18, 2023 | 10:04 AM
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Has anyone successfully supercharged and awd a k series with success? Pros and cons? exhaust options? Thank in advance
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Old Jan 18, 2023 | 09:04 PM
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 07:09 AM
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 07:14 AM
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Extremely possible if you can afford it....
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 07:39 AM
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I feel the only hang up would be exhaust. Hood exit or fender would be so loud especially a street driven car. Running a full exhaust would be the challenge with the driveshaft in the tunnel. I feel this setup would be strong awd. Just wanted people’s opinions constructively on it. Haven’t found anything about it anywhere.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 08:06 AM
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I feel the only hang up would be exhaust. Hood exit or fender would be so loud especially a street driven car. Running a full exhaust would be the challenge with the driveshaft in the tunnel. I feel this setup would be strong awd. Just wanted people’s opinions constructively on it. Haven’t found anything about it anywhere.
The exhaust would basically be a non-issue - Or at least I've never heard about people having many problems getting a full exhaust fabbed up in addition to a driveshaft. Remember that cars like the 88-91 Wagovan and old Integras came with AWD options that utilize the same (or very similar) underbody.

The only big consideration would be cost. The K Swap, the supercharger setup, and AWD - You're already easily at $30K all in there, honestly. But it is very achievable, especially considering how well put together some of these new AWD kits are like the HubCity or S1 Built.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 08:21 AM
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Good to know. I know the build is pricey but it would be that or more going the turbo k awd route. I want something different and plan to spend 30k plus regardless. Just trying to feel out whether it would be a nice setup for a street daily/track weekend eg hatch. Im considering a jdm k20r or a fully built 4piston or drag cartel k20 or k24, built awd transmission, s1built awd kit merc racing tvs1900 or 2300 roots blower depending on the motor choice. Ultimately looking to run 9’s with a/c.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 08:35 AM
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Sounds good - What your proposing is definitely possible, so long as you're prepared to invest both the money into doing it right, and the time it takes to research. Sounds like you have a decent general idea for the starting point.

If you're going forced induction, then I'd recommend having a reputable Honda engine shop (4Piston, Ramey, or Laskey) build the engine as you suggested. OEM sleeves will be fine, but you'll definitely want forged rods/pistons and maybe some light headwork.

Read the AWD subforum here for more ideas, you can also read the thread I made there a few months ago asking what the "Best" AWD kit was where we had a pretty good discussion on it.

I know @B18C5-EH2 has a K swapped EG with a roots blower and working air conditioning.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 08:43 AM
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Thank you for your response. Definitely going to buy a fully built motor and leaning towards a 4piston k24 turbo spec motor if I go turbo. I have a couple months to decide which route to go and definitely trying to research as much as possible beforehand. The awd supercharged setup intrigues me because I haven’t seen anyone do it, but it’s alot of money to spend if the end results are lacking. As I said this will be a daily street car that sees track days occasionally. But it will be built right no corners cut for piece of mind and longevity if that’s even possible lol. Again I thank you for your input and advice. Here is the car and the YouTube channel it will be built on
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 09:20 AM
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Either a turbo or SC build would end up costing roughly the same. If your goal is a 9 second pass, then the turbo would have an easier time getting you there. The immediate torque of a roots supercharger especially on a K24 would be a lot of fun on the street though.

Either choice would be a lot of fun. Your Si looks to be in VERY good condition, and I'm extremely glad to see you're taking the build and the car seriously. Breaks my heart when people do their "budget" build bullshit and completely mangle what could have been a clean Honda, happens all too often.

Good luck, have fun! Last piece of advice - Try to get all the parts you need for the build and swap BEFORE taking the car apart. It'll make things move a lot smoother and quicker when you start actually working, and minimize down time. In general it'll help keep spirits up, lol.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 09:31 AM
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Here are a couple threads that would probably be good for you to read:

Talking about AWD conversion parts:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/awd-co...y-fcs-3365897/

K Swapped EG with a MP62 roots blower:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-...d-etc-3329294/
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 08:35 PM
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Either a turbo or SC build would end up costing roughly the same. If your goal is a 9 second pass, then the turbo would have an easier time getting you there. The immediate torque of a roots supercharger especially on a K24 would be a lot of fun on the street though.

Either choice would be a lot of fun. Your Si looks to be in VERY good condition, and I'm extremely glad to see you're taking the build and the car seriously. Breaks my heart when people do their "budget" build bullshit and completely mangle what could have been a clean Honda, happens all too often.

Good luck, have fun! Last piece of advice - Try to get all the parts you need for the build and swap BEFORE taking the car apart. It'll make things move a lot smoother and quicker when you start actually working, and minimize down time. In general it'll help keep spirits up, lol.
Not true... a few years ago, Chris Harris from Xenocron took a stock K24 block and a handful of shelf parts, including a Rotrex C38, and made 560 WHP and went 9's in a 4G Civic hatch... on his first night out. He made it look EASY.
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
Not true... a few years ago, Chris Harris from Xenocron took a stock K24 block and a handful of shelf parts, including a Rotrex C38, and made 560 WHP and went 9's in a 4G Civic hatch... on his first night out. He made it look EASY.
I don't believe you.
Show me the car.
Actually, let me drive the car.
Actually, please park the car in my garage along with the keys and signed title.
thx <3
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 12:31 PM
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This should be doable. You might have to get a header custom made, I know some k series headers interfere with the transfer case. But if you have money I see no reason this setup can't happen. Lots of turbo awd cars have the exhaust under the car with the driveshaft in the tunnel so that shouldn't be an issue. I think it would be cool to see something like this done.
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 01:21 PM
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I think it would be cool to see something like this done.
Low end torque and immediate boost of a roots blower on a K24, coupled with AWD, would make for an EXTREMELY responsive and fast car down low. It'd probably be fun as hell to drive.
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Old Jan 20, 2023 | 04:43 PM
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Low end torque and immediate boost of a roots blower on a K24, coupled with AWD, would make for an EXTREMELY responsive and fast car down low. It'd probably be fun as hell to drive.
It would be impressive. Even on a K20. That transmission and transfer case will need a lot of money to hold up though.
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Old Nov 21, 2023 | 08:42 PM
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Has anyone successfully supercharged and awd a k series with success? Pros and cons? exhaust options? Thank in advance

Yes. Came across this Today. Hope this helps.
A guy did this to a civic. No clue how much money he spent on it. Search up “AWD K-Series Civic goes 7’s first time out EVER!” Link below

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Old Nov 22, 2023 | 09:42 AM
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Thank you for your response. Definitely going to buy a fully built motor and leaning towards a 4piston k24 turbo spec motor if I go turbo. I have a couple months to decide which route to go and definitely trying to research as much as possible beforehand. The awd supercharged setup intrigues me because I haven’t seen anyone do it, but it’s alot of money to spend if the end results are lacking. As I said this will be a daily street car that sees track days occasionally. But it will be built right no corners cut for piece of mind and longevity if that’s even possible lol. Again I thank you for your input and advice. Here is the car and the YouTube channel it will be built on https://youtu.be/jBPYRVtaDV4.
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Old Nov 22, 2023 | 09:28 PM
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So much for the "Supercharger" idea... went Turbo like everyone else. Shame.
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Old Nov 23, 2023 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JRCivic1
Not true... a few years ago, Chris Harris from Xenocron took a stock K24 block and a handful of shelf parts, including a Rotrex C38, and made 560 WHP and went 9's in a 4G Civic hatch... on his first night out. He made it look EASY.
Whyd they(xenocron) end up closing? They were another one of my go to sources for years.
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Old Nov 23, 2023 | 04:39 AM
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So much for the "Supercharger" idea... went Turbo like everyone else. Shame.
Going turbo just feels like... "this is the way" lol. I know of another guy who switched from blower setup to turbo. He was on the kraftwerks c30 kit. I actually helped built this car through all its progression

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced...build-3269783/
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