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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 04:18 PM
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2000 Civic EX, 1.6 SOHC, Automatic. 2DR. 99K miles.

A few years ago I replaced the water pump. While in there I decided to replace the timing belt.

I followed Haynes as well as a few online tutorials, youtube, etc. But it's always nagged me that there were never any "idiot proof" ways of determining the precise fitment of the belt. No matter how careful it seemed possible for the belt to be, at the very least, one maybe two teeth offset from ideal.

Of course the car runs fine. But it nags me. I might be sacrificing a bit of performance/efficiency if the belt was installed this tiny bit off...no?

So is there a fool proof method? Something like finding TDC through a plug hole and lining up a mark on the camshaft pulley with the block? This would seem to make sense but I was not able to find such a description. Maybe I just missed something right in front of me?

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...the one idiots guides were written for
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 04:35 PM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

One way to find TDC is to stick a long stick into spark plug number 1 ( of course with the spark plug out ), then rotate the crank till the stick doesn’t go up any further, and also make sure the crank pulley ( has a indent mark ) is lined up to the timing cover. Next thing is to make sure cam gears are lined up. Make sure belt isn’t on when you rotate the camshafts. Then there should be a mark engraving that says UP on the cam gears, make sure they are pointed up, there will be a mark on side of cam gears to help line up the indent marks on the cam gears on either side on timing cover. If everything such as the crank gear lined up with the timing cover and your stick inside the spark plug hole is TDC, and your cam gears mark is pointed UP and cam gears indent mark line up with timing cover, then you should be TDC.
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 05:59 PM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

I hope this does not upset any forum protocol.
I joined a few hours ago. I followed up the email I received for registration.
I posted a question concerning an online order i made with the store RockAuto.
I was met with a dialog box informing me that I'd need to await moderator approval for the post.
No problem. I expected that.
I posted this question, as well, concerning my timing belt.
This post appeared immediately.
I PM'd a moderator to ask if my first post was lost, or if it might have been deemed somehow inappropriate.
Some time went by so I reposted my first question regarding the problem with an online order.

Still nothing.

Am I breaking some rules here? The post includes a screen grab of my online order receipt. Is that forbidden?

Thanks for any help here
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 02:48 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

set the crank pulley to TDC
set the cam gear to TDC
loosen timing belt tensioner
install belt
tighten tensioner
rotate COUNTERCLOCK WISE the crank pulley 2 complete revolutions and set crank pulley back to TDC position

Yes, some people think these motors rotate clockwise, which they don't.
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 07:38 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

Originally Posted by NVturbo
set the crank pulley to TDC
set the cam gear to TDC
loosen timing belt tensioner
install belt
tighten tensioner
rotate COUNTERCLOCK WISE the crank pulley 2 complete revolutions and set crank pulley back to TDC position

Yes, some people think these motors rotate clockwise, which they don't.
This is precisely the way I did the installation. But it seems to me entirely possible to follow this to the letter and still be off at least one tooth on the timing pulley.
I had a really difficult time ascertaining the TDC position on the crank pulley with any precision within a tooth in either direction.
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 07:50 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

I did mine without the timing belt cover as a guide for TDC and it is perfect every time. Remember, the cam gear markings are not "parallel" to the head. Left side mark sits under while the right side sits above



^^^ this isn't at TDC but you can see the small markings on the cam gear as reference....
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 10:05 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

Wait a minute. You're asking if there is an easy way to know TDC for properly installing the timing belt.? I will then assume you have all covers off and are right at the point where you need to tension the belt properly.

There's an arrow and a mark on the crank drive pulley to tell you when it's at TDC, found here!

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...t-96-00-a.html
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

This is covered in this video:

Starts at about the 12:45min mark. Covers how to align the cam/crank from the perspective of the
cam and from the perspective of the crank.
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 11:27 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

If you were off a tooth, the car would likely run like trash. If you are dead set on it being perfect, buy a degree wheel and a dial indicator and do it that way.
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Old Feb 8, 2019 | 11:31 AM
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Default Re: Timing belt position.

Originally Posted by BiggieBert
If you were off a tooth, the car would likely run like trash. If you are dead set on it being perfect, buy a degree wheel and a dial indicator and do it that way.
This would likely also require an adjustable cam gear if you were out for that kind of precision. As well as all cam specifications etc.
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