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Old Nov 3, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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Got a 91 crx si with 90-93 integra knuckles up front for bigger breaks, When i got the knuckles one of the hub bearings was bad so i replaced both at the same time at a shop. After a little driving the wheel began to wobble. Lifted the car to find the bearing went bad i believe on the same knuckle with the original bad bearing. I used cheap bearings so figured it could be that it just broke. So had the shop replace the bearing with an OEM one. Once again the wobble returned. Went to a different shop thinking maybe they put it in wrong. The other shop also used OEM bearing. Have not put the knuckle on the car and the hub is already moving while the other side i have had no problems. Both shops just keep saying "the bearing went bad need to press in a new one." I don't want to just keep wasting money. Could it be the Hub or the knuckle is messed up? Or something they are doing wrong like putting it in backwards? Has anyone had this problem before?
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Old Nov 3, 2018 | 02:24 PM
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Have not put the knuckle on the car and the hub is already moving while the other side i have had no problems.
Ummm, we could use a little clarification here. What are you doing with your axle nuts? It will likely have some play until it's installed in the car, since the axle nut holds the inner bearing races together. Are you torquing the axle nuts properly and staking them down?

How are they pressing the bearing in? The 4th gen is a little weird. Depending on where you're at in the process you'll need to support either the inner race or outer race during installation. If the shops are negligent, it can destroy the bearing.

I'm pretty sure you can't install the bearings backwards since it's a non-ABS car. Can someone else please chime in on this?
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Old Nov 3, 2018 | 03:42 PM
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sounds like there not putting in the clip

or snap ring if you want to right wording
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Old Nov 4, 2018 | 09:32 AM
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When installing the axle into the hub while the car is lifted on stands I don't fully tighten the nut. Once the car is on the ground I then tighten the nut to 134 ft-lb.and I lost the stakes need new ones. The hub on the other side with a new bearing as well does not move back and forth at all when the axle is not installed, all it does is rotate properly. I don't know how they are pressing them in because I am not their for the process. Both shops have been open since before i was born or about the same time I would think they would know how to do this process. But have been wrong before. Witch is why i tried going to Honda to get it pressed in but they wouldn't do. After reading the process you described i will talk to the shops and see how they did it. As far as the snap rig goes is their any way for me to inspect it to find out if they put the ring in or not?
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Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:35 AM
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you have to remove the axle to see it
if you lived near me we could get this fixed right away
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Old Nov 4, 2018 | 10:48 AM
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Don't live near you, in the dirty south down in Louisiana
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Old Nov 4, 2018 | 01:28 PM
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Are you saying you lost the dust rings on the inside? You can't lose anything involving staking the nut in unless you lost the axle nut itself. You simply just hit it with a chisel or flathead to make sure it doesn't come undone. Have you done this?

Here's a random google images search that is apparently from Team-Integra:



Missing the circlip is definitely an issue, but I've been going without dust covers for about 8 years now on some Timken bearings.

I'm also not too sure about setting the car's weight on the ground without the nut fully tightened. I've always tightened them with the car in the air and never had any issues. It's to my understanding the axle nut is meant to hold the bearing races together. The service manual doesn't specifically mention one way or the other, so I don't know if this can contribute to your issue.
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Old Nov 4, 2018 | 08:46 PM
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OP, are you saying the new bearing moves in the hub with snap ring installed - before you even put an axle through it? If so, your hub is bad.
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Old Nov 5, 2018 | 06:57 AM
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So I misunderstood how you staked the nut, i will do it that way from hear on out. Will also tighten the nut while car is lifted. The knuckle has not been installed nor has the axle I will look for the clip ring inside the hub bearing or knuckle? If present i should get a new hub? Also was told i should replace the bearing again if i replace the hub because the bearing is easily damaged during removal is that correct?
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Old Nov 5, 2018 | 07:04 AM
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And yes I believe the new bearing is whats moving but the hub moves with it. Best way to put it is when I have the lug nut studs resting on the ground i will lift the knuckle up as if i where picking it up, and you can see the back side of the hub move down a little before it lifts up with the rest of the knuckle. When i put it down the same way you can see it move up a little.
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Old Nov 5, 2018 | 09:10 AM
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Yes, the bearing almost always loses one of the races when it's removed, and it's fairly difficult to remove that stuck race. I usually die-grind/dremel most of the way through, then hit it with an air-hammer loaded with a chisel. Gotta be careful or you can cause some scoring on the hub/mounting point.

Dumb question, but you are using the bearings for the 90-93 Integra, right?
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Old Nov 5, 2018 | 11:40 AM
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when driving the car do you hear that grinding sound?
if not
then now im thinking this has nothing to do with the wheel bearings at all and its just a bad ball joint haha
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Old Nov 5, 2018 | 06:07 PM
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Yes I am using 90-93 integra bearing. I have replaced the ball joints and every thing else suspension and bushing related. No i do not hear a grinding noise
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I had someone "help" me with my front bearings years ago. Supposedly the knuckle was bad as well. What I found out is, the hub has to be pressed out separately from the bearing. Then you remove the circlip, and finish pressing out the bearing. Well my "help" attempted to press the hub and bearing out together and broke the front lip(if you will) off of the knuckle. I don't know how you'd be able to see this with it already pressed in but it might be worth trying to take a look at.
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Old Nov 7, 2018 | 07:23 AM
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A slide hammer works nicely for removal of the hub, but you'll have to cut a bearing race off of it if you plan on reusing the hub.

The outer race should be supported when pressing the bearing in, then the inner race needs to be supported by something on the other side while you're pressing the hub in, or you can push the bearing apart.

Is it possible to get a video of the play you have? It would definitely help us narrow stuff down.
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Old Nov 7, 2018 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ki11r0y1086
And yes I believe the new bearing is whats moving but the hub moves with it. Best way to put it is when I have the lug nut studs resting on the ground i will lift the knuckle up as if i where picking it up, and you can see the back side of the hub move down a little before it lifts up with the rest of the knuckle. When i put it down the same way you can see it move up a little.
There should be no movement. So, the bearing is bad. As mentioned above, the only correct way to install the bearing is with a press and the appropriate sized press tools. A competent shop should have no problem with this. And, no, you cannot reuse a bearing as they get damaged when removed.
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