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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:12 AM
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hello ,
i have a ej9 civic with an h22a2 swap ,
i installed a few bits and bobs on it , a aem wideband and a p72 jdm with demon v1.2 ...
i am playing around with it and i cant seem to get it working correctly ...
i started adjusting idle , runs good on 14.7 ,
then i barely touch the pedal taking it up rougly 100 rpm and the wideband goes around 10 ...
allthow the cels are in the same area ,
i thought it was my map sensor at first but i tried an other one and the same ...
could it be ignition auto adjustments playing on me ?
maybe a dodgy h22 basemap ?
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:24 AM
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This just after starting the car? What's your ECT at this time? Closed loop off or set properly? Or is this just riiiiight out of the box and loaded into demon? Sooooo many possibilities .
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:28 AM
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thanks for your fast answer
well i let the car warm up befor adjusting ,
closed loop and wideband option ticked in closed loop , is that correct ?
i used the h22 stock basemap in neptune
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:34 AM
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does anyone have a clean basemap by any chance ?
what value should the map sensor give with engine off in datalog ?
mine shows something like 300 mbar is this normal ?
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:35 AM
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:36 AM
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Disable closed loop when you first start out. Can you get a screen shot of your closed loop settings and post em here?
Overall, the basemap is just that. A basemap. It will help ya get to where you want to go, then you make your adjustments to where you feel (or your tuner and dyno determine), you want to be.
I know there was NO basemap for mine when I started up, I had to use a P28.. The P06 basemap points you toward an 8v and ugh.. Anywho.. You may have better luck starting off with another map entirely
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gizmogwaii
does anyone have a clean basemap by any chance ?
what value should the map sensor give with engine off in datalog ?
mine shows something like 300 mbar is this normal ?
With the engine off, you are showing "default" settings, don't pay ANY attention to these values with your engine off. With your engine running, you'll probably be anywhere from about 250 Mbar to 399 Mbar.
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:38 AM
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ok , so is it because off closed loop i cant make correct adjusments ?
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:39 AM
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ok thanks ,
so i only go in to closed loop when i am done with the tune ?
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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do i tune by cell , 4x4 or by collumns ?
i havent got a clue lol
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:47 AM
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I have been tuning cell by cell. PAIN IN THE ***, but thorough.. You'll want to set your target a/f first. Go up to tools, then find target a/f. Set that to where you would like to be. For N/A, it is widely accepted that 13.5 is a happy place. Once you have your target a/f set, you're gonna do a LOT of driving and logging and adjusting lol
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:49 AM
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ok , well i set my target afr in that table , but it doesnt seem to change anything , is that because off the closed loop seting ?
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:52 AM
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ok , well i set my target afr in that table , but it doesnt seem to change anything , is that because off the closed loop seting ?
Nope. Just means you're off from that target Closed loop just makes fuel adjustments based on feedback from the O2 sensor. You'll want this particular mode disabled until later, when you get to your actual targets.
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:53 AM
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ok cool well thank you for your knowlege and help , i will give this a try and keep you posted
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Old May 11, 2017 | 05:35 PM
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ok cool well thank you for your knowlege and help , i will give this a try and keep you posted
No prob! Certainly keep posted.
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Old May 11, 2017 | 11:29 PM
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Check the MAP pins at the ECU for the voltage reading. If those voltages are different from what you're seeing at the sensor, you have a wiring issue.
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Old May 12, 2017 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 80%downtime
Check the MAP pins at the ECU for the voltage reading. If those voltages are different from what you're seeing at the sensor, you have a wiring issue.
thank you but i have a new rywire harness i doubt that is the issue
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:34 AM
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No prob! Certainly keep posted.
so i unticked closed loop in neptune
what about "inversed closed loop for wideband " ?
do i leave this ticked ?
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Old May 13, 2017 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Txdragon
No prob! Certainly keep posted.
hi , here is my latest datalog ,
could you please have a look and tell me if anything is dangerous for the motor ?
obviously all the tuning is to come but just in case i blow the engine lol
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Old May 13, 2017 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gizmogwaii
hi , here is my latest datalog ,
could you please have a look and tell me if anything is dangerous for the motor ?
obviously all the tuning is to come but just in case i blow the engine lol
i forgot to mention , i adjusted the ignition to 16 btdc with a timing gun ,
i was 2 degrees off ...like 14...
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gizmogwaii
so i unticked closed loop in neptune
what about "inversed closed loop for wideband " ?
do i leave this ticked ?
You can, it is just an option for when it is active. It is used in conjunction with a wideband O2 sensor and should certainly be checked when you're running in closed loop.
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gizmogwaii
i forgot to mention , i adjusted the ignition to 16 btdc with a timing gun ,
i was 2 degrees off ...like 14...
Ignition setting in Neptune is at 16.5.. Make sure to change it there as well to 16
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:21 PM
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Ignition setting in Neptune is at 16.5.. Make sure to change it there as well to 16
ok thanks ,
i will look in to that ,
what about the datalog , did you see it ?
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:41 PM
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I will check it on my laptop in a bit. I'm on my work computer right now lol
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Old May 13, 2017 | 12:43 PM
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oh ok sorry to bother you at work its 10h45 here in france
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