engine compartment ground points.
I was wondering if anyone might have the factory ground locations do a 94 accord lx 5 speed. The common solution to many problems seems to be checking the ground on the thermostat housing. My car doesn't have a ground there. The car runs fine and I check all ground points under the hood first whenever there's a problem with how she's running. I know the ground is there, I've checked it and it's secure. It's just not where it's supposed to be. It's fine if I leave it be, but I would like to know which grounds were relocated and where to if there are anymore.
The main ground, for the ECU and electronics is G101, on this chassis they moved it from the T-stat housing to the other side of the intake manifold.








My driver side fan hasn't been on and one guy told me it was because I was missing my ground point on the T stat, even though I knew that on our chassis they are on the driver side of the intake manifold...however, after seeing these pictures I'm wondering if it could be a ground missing on the front driver side (G301). My headlights work so I want to believe it can't be the ground but I'm still going to check that. Oh and yeah sorry if I'm thread jacking and yes I've checked all other possibilities for my fan except maybe my timing switch behing/underneath the glove box. (AC fan works).
G101. ✔ Thankyou Ghosthonda,that's exactly what I needed and solved a mystery. I've seen it before and the ground is good. I wasn't expecting the factory to move it. I was expecting it to be a rooky part replacement and they didnt pay attention to were it connected. If that were the case the ground would've still been somewhere near the thermostat. I've seen some really interesting ways people have attached grounds where they don't go.
No problem thread hacking. I just needed the reference material. The ground info is here so might as well ask.
Many many times are people reminded to check grounds. It is the very first step I take every time I have to diagnose an engine problem. No one believes that a ground can be the cause so they spend hundreds of dollars replacing parts when all they needed was a 10mm wrench and a wire brush. Never dismiss checking the grounds.
Like my car, your thermostat housing ground is there. It's the ecm ground so if it weren't there you would have more problems than just a fan. Check the g101 in the diagram Ghosthonda posted. That's where mine is. We have old cars with multiple past owners who thought they were master mechanics and don't need reference material. When replacing parts they rely on things only being able to fit one way. When they get to reconnecting the ground they forget where it was, but since it's just the ground they just attach it anywhere it can ground. It isn't a problem until the next owner is trying to check the grounds. The ground is there. You just gotta find where it was moved to. It shouldn't be too hard to find. Its the harness coming direct from the engine fuse box. Just follow the harness and find the black wire that's attached to a bolt rather than a connector. If the moved grounds are all functioning properly, there's no need to move them back, unless it really bugs you.
Is your car a 94 accord 2.2lye? If so, the driver side fan is the condenser fan. That's the one that's part of your air conditioning. The passenger side is the cooling fan. If the condenser fan goes out you will run a little hotter but you shouldn't overheat if the air conditioner is off. I'm replacing the a.c. compressor next week and just replaced a condenser fan. I don't even have a fuse in for the condenser fan so it's off all the time and my engine runs the same temp as normal. If you checked the fuse for the condenser fan it won't tell you anything for the passenger side fan. If it is the condenser fan you would have better luck checking the grounds down by the a.c. condenser and the bridge between the engine and body. You find that connected to the powerstearing pump bracket just behind the serpentine tensioner pivot. Your powerstearing pump doubles as the tensioner. The ecm/ engine ground on the thermostat can effect the ac, but not likely the source of the problem.
Remember, check your grounds twice, then check them again.
Also, if there is a pocket of air hidden between the positive battery post and the terminal, there can be some hidden corrosion. That can cause problems similar to a faulty ground.
No problem thread hacking. I just needed the reference material. The ground info is here so might as well ask.
Many many times are people reminded to check grounds. It is the very first step I take every time I have to diagnose an engine problem. No one believes that a ground can be the cause so they spend hundreds of dollars replacing parts when all they needed was a 10mm wrench and a wire brush. Never dismiss checking the grounds.
Like my car, your thermostat housing ground is there. It's the ecm ground so if it weren't there you would have more problems than just a fan. Check the g101 in the diagram Ghosthonda posted. That's where mine is. We have old cars with multiple past owners who thought they were master mechanics and don't need reference material. When replacing parts they rely on things only being able to fit one way. When they get to reconnecting the ground they forget where it was, but since it's just the ground they just attach it anywhere it can ground. It isn't a problem until the next owner is trying to check the grounds. The ground is there. You just gotta find where it was moved to. It shouldn't be too hard to find. Its the harness coming direct from the engine fuse box. Just follow the harness and find the black wire that's attached to a bolt rather than a connector. If the moved grounds are all functioning properly, there's no need to move them back, unless it really bugs you.
Is your car a 94 accord 2.2lye? If so, the driver side fan is the condenser fan. That's the one that's part of your air conditioning. The passenger side is the cooling fan. If the condenser fan goes out you will run a little hotter but you shouldn't overheat if the air conditioner is off. I'm replacing the a.c. compressor next week and just replaced a condenser fan. I don't even have a fuse in for the condenser fan so it's off all the time and my engine runs the same temp as normal. If you checked the fuse for the condenser fan it won't tell you anything for the passenger side fan. If it is the condenser fan you would have better luck checking the grounds down by the a.c. condenser and the bridge between the engine and body. You find that connected to the powerstearing pump bracket just behind the serpentine tensioner pivot. Your powerstearing pump doubles as the tensioner. The ecm/ engine ground on the thermostat can effect the ac, but not likely the source of the problem.
Remember, check your grounds twice, then check them again.
Also, if there is a pocket of air hidden between the positive battery post and the terminal, there can be some hidden corrosion. That can cause problems similar to a faulty ground.
My apologies Therest, I got a good rant going and gave you locations to grounds you already mentioned checking. I also said to check the ground connect between the engine and body and that shouldn't effect the fan.
The thing that's bugging me is that you said its the driver side fan That's out and the ac fan works. You may have your fans turned around. Try pulling the fuse for the condenser fan and start your car. If both fans fail to engage then your fans somehow got crossed. If the passenger side fan still comes on without the fuse then the problem is in the AC system and you shouldn't overheat as long as the ac isn't on. It could be the c301. Even with splash guards protecting the gaps in the engine compartment from puddles and ground spray, this ground and harnes are in a perfect place for collecting roadgrime. It takes less power to run headlights than it does your air conditioner. If that ground isn't getting a secure connection it's possible that Its been modified and circuits relocated.
The thing that's bugging me is that you said its the driver side fan That's out and the ac fan works. You may have your fans turned around. Try pulling the fuse for the condenser fan and start your car. If both fans fail to engage then your fans somehow got crossed. If the passenger side fan still comes on without the fuse then the problem is in the AC system and you shouldn't overheat as long as the ac isn't on. It could be the c301. Even with splash guards protecting the gaps in the engine compartment from puddles and ground spray, this ground and harnes are in a perfect place for collecting roadgrime. It takes less power to run headlights than it does your air conditioner. If that ground isn't getting a secure connection it's possible that Its been modified and circuits relocated.
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