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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 03:34 PM
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OK, this is focused on a well rounded suspension and handling set up.
I've learned alot through using the search feature, but I still need help in my quest for the answers to my questions.
So i'm turning to you'll for help and understanding.
I've read that the integra TypeR has "balanced steering"?
Being the front and rear spring rate is 250/250 combined w/ Sport shocks, a front sway bar 24mm, and rear sway bar 22mm.
1. Do you loose the balanced steering when you change the spring rate, and or shocks?
If so how would you correct this or determine the correct sway bar size to keep the balance steering?
2.Is it possible to increase the bars sizes the same amount stiffening the chasis, yet keeping the steering balance intact?
Example front sway bar is 24mm and rear is 22mm, so what if i increased the front to 26mm and rear to 24mm.
Would balanced steering still remain?If not, would increasing the spring rate effect or correct it.

These are the components i'm considering for my suspension.

The car in question is a 99 Integra LS

1.Sway bars:
Front- Progress Group 25mm,Suspension Tech. 25mm,Mugen 26mm
Rear- Progress Group 22mm, Skunk2 21mm,Mugen 24mm

2.Springs- Spoon Sports 20mm drop spring rates F-363.4/R-307.5

3.Strut Tower bars:
Front-Neuspeed,Spoon,Comptech,Cusco,Eibach,Skunk2
Rear-Neuspeed,Spoon,Comptech,Cusco,Eibach,Skunk2

4.Tie Rod bars:
Front-Spoon
Rear-Spoon,Skunk2,Cusco

5.Shocks- Koni yellows, Tokico Ulliminias

6.Polyurethane bushings

These are the set ups i've come up with so far, for primarily daily driving, once a month slolam coarse or twice a year auto-X.
I'm also looking for input on any of the products i've listed or any suggestions of a better combined set up?

1. Sway bars front & rear Progress Group, Strut Tower & Tie rod bars Spoon, Springs Spoon Sport,Koni yellows

2. Sway bar front Suspension Techicniques, Sway & Tie rod bar rear Skunk2,Springs Spoon Sports, Strut Tower bar front & rear Neuspeed,Koni yellows

Feeel free to take any of the products listed above and offer your opinion on any better combo's.Or list any pro's or con's

Thanks-jason

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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 08:44 PM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (hondacivic4g)

So, am I on the right track or just too lost?I'm getting no help here.
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 09:40 AM
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 11:25 AM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (hondacivic4g)

well, I'm not sure about this "balenced" steering thingy, but the R does have different alignment settings, and this may contribute to the balenced feel. I would not be overly concerned with the steering feel, that comes through with decent tires, and stiffer suspension. If you really want better feel, get rid of your power steering (that's what I did!!!). Any of the above combo's would be a good place to start, but don't go too big on the rear bar if your'e gonna use the car on the street, as a really big rear bar will make the car twitchy at the limit, and this can quickly turn into a disaster if you drop throttle mid-turn. If you are using the car primarily as a track *****, then that theory pretty much goes out the window. I have read good things about the Koni Yellows, and if they are adjustable, then they'll prolly make a good match w/ the Spoon progressive springs. You did not mention what size/type of wheel and tire combo you plan on running, and this is very important to the suspension setup. Obviously the lighter the wheel and the stickier the tire the better...
There are some really good suspension threads archived around here, I would
keep reading If I were you.

Also keep in mind that strut tower bars and braces are important, but pale in comparison with the spring/shock/swaybar choice. You can compensate for softer springs by going with a larger swaybar, but unfortunately, not all swaybars will mount to your chassis easily. I would suggest a 24mm front and 22mm rear bar for the street, especially if you are upgrading from stock. I would also suggest an adjustable shock, but NOT a full coil over system, unless you plan on having the car corner weighted, and spending alot of time adjusting suspension setups. Mugen and Spoon both make nice strut tower bars/braces, and the consensus around here seems to be the stiffer the better..
good luck, and keep doing research, as this topic has been covered hundreds of times...
go here ==> http://www.socalitr.com/HTlinks for more info
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 11:33 AM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (Philly_NBP_R)

balanced steering? I think you mean that is has neutral handling, which is to say that there is no tendency for oversteer or understeer, although they can be induced.
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 11:36 AM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (hondacivic4g)

If you mean torque steer, the ITR still suffers from it as most FF cars do.

I hear the RSX has much less torque steer due to the location of the pinion.

I've read that the integra TypeR has "balanced steering"?
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (Tommy_Gunns)

If you mean torque steer, the ITR still suffers from it as most FF cars do.

I hear the RSX has much less torque steer due to the location of the pinion.


I've read that the integra TypeR has "balanced steering"?
I hear the RSX also rides/handles like crap cause it has Strut based suspension
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 02:32 PM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (1107)

1107 is exactly right, I'm reffering to neutral steering!
"balanced steering? I think you mean that is has neutral handling, which is to say that there is no tendency for oversteer or understeer"

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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 02:52 PM
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Default Re: Looking for answers........ (hondacivic4g)

The only thing i would have to apply is that if you want a daily driver/track/autox its all about "adjustability" because if its more track competitive its not going a crappy ride for and a car designed for daily driving (which is focused pretty well in the car already) won't be very competitive.

Where do you wanna be in this line?

Daily Driver-1-----------5------------10-Road Racing
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 03:03 PM
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Probably a 5 or 6 on the line, the racing would be more for my own enjoyment,not as much as competition. There will be another car used for strickly competition.
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