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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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OK, this is focused on a well rounded suspension and handling set up.
I've learned alot through using the search feature, but I still need help in my quest for the answers to my questions.
So i'm turning to you'll for help and understanding.
I've read that the integra TypeR has "balanced steering"?
Being the front and rear spring rate is 250/250 combined w/ Sport shocks, a front sway bar 24mm, and rear sway bar 22mm.
1. Do you loose the balanced steering when you change the spring rate, and or shocks?
If so how would you correct this or determine the correct sway bar size to keep the balance steering?
2.Is it possible to increase the bars sizes the same amount stiffening the chasis, yet keeping the steering balance intact?
Example front sway bar is 24mm and rear is 22mm, so what if i increased the front to 26mm and rear to 24mm.
Would balanced steering still remain?If not, would increasing the spring rate effect or correct it.

These are the components i'm considering for my suspension.

The car in question is a 99 Integra LS

1.Sway bars:
Front- Progress Group 25mm,Suspension Tech. 25mm,Mugen 26mm
Rear- Progress Group 22mm, Skunk2 21mm,Mugen 24mm

2.Springs- Spoon Sports 20mm drop spring rates F-363.4/R-307.5

3.Strut Tower bars:
Front-Neuspeed,Spoon,Comptech,Cusco,Eibach,Skunk2
Rear-Neuspeed,Spoon,Comptech,Cusco,Eibach,Skunk2

4.Tie Rod bars:
Front-Spoon
Rear-Spoon,Skunk2,Cusco

5.Shocks- Koni yellows, Tokico Ulliminias

6.Polyurethane bushings

These are the set ups i've come up with so far, for primarily daily driving, once a month slolam coarse or twice a year auto-X.
I'm also looking for input on any of the products i've listed or any suggestions of a better combined set up?

1. Sway bars front & rear Progress Group, Strut Tower & Tie rod bars Spoon, Springs Spoon Sport,Koni yellows

2. Sway bar front Suspension Techicniques, Sway & Tie rod bar rear Skunk2,Springs Spoon Sports, Strut Tower bar front & rear Neuspeed,Koni yellows

Feeel free to take any of the products listed above and offer your opinion on any better combo's.Or list any pro's or con's

Thanks-jason

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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 08:40 PM
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OK, I was hoping that some one could help me? Or atleast tell me if I'm on track?
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 11:01 PM
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I really didnt take the time to read the whole thing, I stoped at balanced steering. The Hype-r's have the rear suspension setup to give more toe. Toe increases the tendency to go straight. It increases stability in turns because on turns, rear toe tends to go outward. The only other Honda with simialr suspension is the 88 crx. It changed for 89-91 because *****'s felt that is was touchy at high speeds.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 11:16 PM
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I drive an '88 CRX Si. It IS touchy @ high speeds. Ppl don't understand how scary it is to hit the brakes at about 160km/h and feel the rear end start to slide around...
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Trying to learn more.... (hondacivic4g)

When I spoke of balanced steering. I was meaning, that is has neutral handling, which is to say that there is no tendency for oversteer or understeer. Mybe that will help more people understand what i'm thnking or where i'm coming from or where i'm trying to get.
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 05:58 PM
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Default Re: Trying to learn more.... (hondacivic4g)

let me see if I can help. What you are trying to get is neutral balance between oversteer and understeer. If I were you, I would use Koni Sports, stock LS front sway bar, ITR rear sway bar, ground control coilovers with 350# front and 300# rear springs, Neuspeed front STB, any rear STB (except for DC), and a poly bushing kit. Do'nt bother with tie rods. Also, swap the upper front control arms left to right, and don't worry about the tie rods. You may also want to consider a Z10 radius rod kit, to ad some strength to the front suspension and give more castor and eliminate wheel hop.

Hope that helps
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 07:08 PM
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What Sonic Said.......

Also, if your a wus like me you can go with slightly softer springs 275ish (nuespeed sports) get a adjustable rear sway bar (comptech for instance) and adjust it to stiff. The car will be near nuetral.
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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 09:56 PM
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what does swapping the front upper control arms do?
im putting in my shocks and springs soon and i might as well swap the arms while im at it.
i drive a 98 gs by the way
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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 01:20 PM
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If it's rotational balance that you're concerned with (oversteer/understeer), be careful with sway bar sizes. A stiffer swaybar in the front will tend to amplify the understeer characteristics of a FWD car. Likewise, a stiffer rear swaybar will tend to neutralize the understeer. The "balance" of the car is pretty much the preference of the driver. On my old Cavalier Z24, I found the stock front and adding a 22mm rear sway bar worked pretty well...it minimized the horrible understeer to moderate understeer. My preference is for light understeer since I don't do so well with oversteer (just ask my brother when I borrowed his 500HP fire-breathing Cutlass! ).

You can also adjust oversteer/understeer a little by playing with tire pressures. You might have to just buy some stuff and play around with it until the car feels good to you.
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