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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:21 PM
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My 92 eg hatch is blowing white smoke when I accelerate and after it gets over 3500 rpm it feels like it's not going anywhere for how hard the motor is working. there's oil all over the block and it seems to be oil in the spark plug chambers(haven't taken head apart so I can't see to much but there is defenetly some oil In there just can't tell if it's a lot) also I'm not driving it cause I don't wanna mess anything else up does anyone know what it can be????
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:25 PM
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Clean it up and do a tune up.
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:29 PM
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White smoke? You don't need help, you need a new head gasket. That's assuming you know the difference between white, blue, and black.
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:31 PM
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White smoke? You don't need help, you need a new head gasket. That's assuming you know the difference between white, blue, and black.


it's not black that's 100% but when I look out my mirror I see white and my friend followed me and he said it was white too! I'm gonna take a look at the head gasket friday I'm just trying to see if the symptoms I'm gettin add up to a head gasket problem
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:41 PM
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Given that it's smoke coming out of the exhaust "looking" at the head gasket may not show anything. Do you know about "bubbles in the radiator" test?
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:46 PM
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Given that it's smoke coming out of the exhaust "looking" at the head gasket may not show anything. Do you know about "bubbles in the radiator" test?
well I was just gonna put a new head gasket and clean out the spark plug chambers and replace the spark plugs, & no I'm not sure what the bubbles in the radiator is if you do not mind informing me I'd like to know ! just trying to diagnose this problem asap
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 01:54 PM
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The test is free for you to perform and requires no special tools. Ultimately I have feeling you'll end up removing the head but at least you'll have an idea of what's going on and where to inspect.

Basically with the engine cold you remove the radiator cap and start up the engine. If you see a steady stream of bubbles then air is being allowed to enter the cooling system because the head gasket is no longer sealing at least one of the combustion chambers and the water jacket. If you find this and want to take it a step further you would want to see about having a leak down test performed. That test would narrow it down to which cylinder is bad.

As for the oil you are finding do as suggested by "tony 2018" and clean it all up. If/when it returns you'll more easily be able to see where it's coming from. Might find that it's not head gasket related.
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
White smoke? You don't need help, you need a new head gasket. That's assuming you know the difference between white, blue, and black.
You can't just assume it's the head gasket with just the mention of white smoke.

Just like in the video I posted of my car with the sticking oil control rings, it came out solidly white and had to seriously dissipate a lot before you could get a hint of blue and I don't have a head gasket problem. Also when it was super thick like that it didn't smell of burnt oil nor sweet, it just smelt of bad exhaust. Now that it's severely reduced (only smokes a little), it has the blue hue to it that is easily identifiable and smells of burnt oil. When it's super thick, it can be really easy to mistake the color of white. It's actually very difficult to see any blue hue to it and only in full sunlight (not overcast) and only after is spreads out enough to finally give away the color of blue.

White smoke can be large amounts of oil being burnt in the combustion chamber (dissipates really slow). Further testing is required to discern if it is oil or coolant. White steam on the other hand (dissipates really fast on dry days) would be head gasket or cracked head/block.

Even the claim of loss of power could go either way, heavily worn rings with low compression would provide loss of power and let a lot of oil to be burned, or it could be a bad head gasket. Still requires further testing such as a proper compression test.

OP, have you pulled your spark plugs yet to see their condition? I suspect you have a fouled plug or two.

If you suspect head gasket, check your oil, if it's milky there is a problem if it looks like normal oil (black or brown) then check your coolant, if your coolant doesn't look like it has oil floating in it, then the compression test may show a head gasket issue by having two adjacent cylinders with similarly low compression. And also 24ten's test of bubbles from the rad is another sure sign. If none of these are present it's probably ring related.

See my video here:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...43&postcount=3

Same exact motor. Lots of "white" smoke on high revs. Turned out to be fouled plug and possibly sticking oil control rings or simply bad control rings.

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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 08:45 PM
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You can't just assume it's the head gasket with just the mention of white smoke.

Just like in the video I posted of my car with the sticking oil control rings, it came out solidly white and had to seriously dissipate a lot before you could get a hint of blue and I don't have a head gasket problem. Also when it was super thick like that it didn't smell of burnt oil nor sweet, it just smelt of bad exhaust. Now that it's severely reduced (only smokes a little), it has the blue hue to it that is easily identifiable and smells of burnt oil. When it's super thick, it can be really easy to mistake the color of white. It's actually very difficult to see any blue hue to it and only in full sunlight (not overcast) and only after is spreads out enough to finally give away the color of blue.

White smoke can be large amounts of oil being burnt in the combustion chamber (dissipates really slow). Further testing is required to discern if it is oil or coolant. White steam on the other hand (dissipates really fast on dry days) would be head gasket or cracked head/block.

Even the claim of loss of power could go either way, heavily worn rings with low compression would provide loss of power and let a lot of oil to be burned, or it could be a bad head gasket. Still requires further testing such as a proper compression test.

OP, have you pulled your spark plugs yet to see their condition? I suspect you have a fouled plug or two.

If you suspect head gasket, check your oil, if it's milky there is a problem if it looks like normal oil (black or brown) then check your coolant, if your coolant doesn't look like it has oil floating in it, then the compression test may show a head gasket issue by having two adjacent cylinders with similarly low compression. And also 24ten's test of bubbles from the rad is another sure sign. If none of these are present it's probably ring related.

See my video here:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...43&postcount=3

Same exact motor. Lots of "white" smoke on high revs. Turned out to be fouled plug and possibly sticking oil control rings or simply bad control rings.
bare in mind I am new to all of this but I did do the radiator test and it seemed to have some sort of reddish brown gunk in it and around the rim of wear you would screw the radiator on && the engine is just covered in oil front and back from the bottom(even the oil pan) all the way up until the head I degreased it some today but it's gonna take about a week of degreasing to get it cleaned up completely and in my opinion it is not smoking nearly as bad as that video but it has straight piping up to the muffler with a penny sized hole in the piping
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Old Jun 14, 2014 | 09:16 PM
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One of the biggest differences between steam and oil smoke is how fast it dissipates.

Does your smoke hang around for awhile or disappear pretty quickly on a calm (non windy) sunny day?

Have you pulled your spark plugs out to read them?

They should look like the first three in this post:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...08&postcount=8

The last one in that post is oil fouled and has a ton of ash build up on it. If any of your plugs look anything like the fourth picture it needs to be replaced and could be part of the problem.

The rusty looking coolant in the radiator could be oil and coolant mixed or it could be a severely neglected coolant system with brown slime water.

Oil on the outside of the motor doesn't necessarily mean blown head gasket it just means other gasket leaks on the motor. It sounds like your motor has been neglected for quite a long time.

The fast and fairly definitive way to see if you have a blown head gasket is to rent or buy a block tester and see if you are getting combustion gases coming through your radiator. That's what the bubbles in the radiator when running trick is about.

This is what a block tester looks like with the blue fluid included:

Amazon.com: UVIEW 560000 Combustion Leak Tester: Automotive Amazon.com: UVIEW 560000 Combustion Leak Tester: Automotive
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Old Jun 15, 2014 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCat39
One of the biggest differences between steam and oil smoke is how fast it dissipates.

Does your smoke hang around for awhile or disappear pretty quickly on a calm (non windy) sunny day?

Have you pulled your spark plugs out to read them?

They should look like the first three in this post:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showpo...08&postcount=8

The last one in that post is oil fouled and has a ton of ash build up on it. If any of your plugs look anything like the fourth picture it needs to be replaced and could be part of the problem.

The rusty looking coolant in the radiator could be oil and coolant mixed or it could be a severely neglected coolant system with brown slime water.

Oil on the outside of the motor doesn't necessarily mean blown head gasket it just means other gasket leaks on the motor. It sounds like your motor has been neglected for quite a long time.

The fast and fairly definitive way to see if you have a blown head gasket is to rent or buy a block tester and see if you are getting combustion gases coming through your radiator. That's what the bubbles in the radiator when running trick is about.

This is what a block tester looks like with the blue fluid included:

Amazon.com: UVIEW 560000 Combustion Leak Tester: Automotive Amazon.com: UVIEW 560000 Combustion Leak Tester: Automotive
So this morning I took it out and when I got on the throttle pretty hard it smoked ALOT and it didn't dissipate fast at all in fact it stayed for a LONG time and it looked pretty blue I have been trying to clean the block to see where the oil is comin from but it has so much it hard to get it all
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Old Jun 15, 2014 | 09:02 AM
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Pull your spark plugs, you are probably going to need to replace some of them.

The other thing that you probably should do is the MMO treatment for 2 or 3 days.

And you need to do a proper compression test to see how healthy the motor is so you know if it will last awhile or need replacing soon.

For your other problem of locating your oil leak, you can Google "UV oil dye" and you should get some good information on how to spot your oil leak(s).
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