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Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 08:45 PM
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Default Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

I am going to set this car on fire/give it away if it keeps this up, here's what I replaced:

ECT sensor
Whole (rich-porter from Rywire) distributer
OEM Honda plug wires
back to stock injectors
255lph fuel pump
stock FPR
back to chipped p28 instead of s300
spark plugs
bleed coolant sys
checked lash
swapped back to stock cams(from pro 1's)
still on 12:1 C/R
fully advanced ignition timing

the onlything that's still "old" is the o2 sensor I have a AEM uego but I'm not about to gum that up when the car runs like ****. there is no o2 code but could that be the cause ?. I'm at an end here I'm almost about to throw my stock gsr engine back in, not that it was any better. I drove the car down the road the other day pulls very well for it's set up last time it ran rich it was a slug, I WILL be getting it tuned at Teknotik come spring but I'd like to not wash down my cylinder walls on a new engine.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 11:28 PM
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theres no info about your motor
nobody knows what u have
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by raverx3m
theres no info about your motor
nobody knows what u have
Forgot to add the info

94 gsr 85mm b20v etc gsr head with skunk2 pro/ultra series intake currently has the pro on it w/74mm tb.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 07:10 AM
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Default Re: Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

Check that the MAP sensor port is not plugged up. I had a rich condition on a car once and that was the issue.

Remove the sensor, clean the tube on the sensor itself. Then clean the port in the manifold. You can gently poke thru any gunk with a paperclip. Use sensor safe MAF cleaner and don't get any on the rubber O-ring. Remove the O-ring and set it aside.

What is your fuel pressure at?
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Default Re: Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

Also...what makes you think you're running rich?
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:10 AM
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Check that the MAP sensor port is not plugged up. I had a rich condition on a car once and that was the issue.

Remove the sensor, clean the tube on the sensor itself. Then clean the port in the manifold. You can gently poke thru any gunk with a paperclip. Use sensor safe MAF cleaner and don't get any on the rubber O-ring. Remove the O-ring and set it aside.

What is your fuel pressure at?
That was the problem last year I forgot the o-ring and it got like 210(100 miles) km's to a tank lol will do going to clean the throttle body
all out and the IACV again while I'm at it thx. 44psi I can't check the specs on the MAP etc via my s300 cause I only have an iPad
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Originally Posted by B serious
Also...what makes you think you're running rich?
the plugs are EXTREMLY black and soot build up is plentiful.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:13 AM
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Default Re: Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

are you even running a basemap? what is the map tuned for?
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:18 AM
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are you even running a basemap? what is the map tuned for?
yes, it's set for a 12:1 c/r b20v with "bolt ons" I trust the guy who made it he dyno tuned my old gsr set up and did a good job. I took the 550cc and pro 1 cams out and save from the fuel pump the fuel system delivery is stock.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 08:42 AM
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44psi fuel pressure at closed throttle is high. Especially with big injectors and all that fuel pump volume.

Maybe your injector duty cycle is set for stock injectors at stock PSI/flow. This is where a tune might help.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 09:24 AM
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44psi fuel pressure at closed throttle is high. Especially with big injectors and all that fuel pump volume.

Maybe your injector duty cycle is set for stock injectors at stock PSI/flow. This is where a tune might help.
I have a AEM adjustable one but iirc in the faq it says 38-45psi is the standard for our integra's(gsr/ITR). I told him I'd be running the stock inj. fpr but still thw 255lph as I can't get it unclipped/out. should I try the adjustable one and set it at 38psi lets say(stock inj) ? I'd try playing around with things(fuel maps/inj trim) in Hondata but I'm scared to, especially without my wideband hooked up. have the throttle body off going to clean the map area out when I get some brake clean/make sure the 0ring is still good.
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I have a AEM adjustable one but iirc in the faq it says 38-45psi is the standard for our integra's(gsr/ITR). I told him I'd be running the stock inj. fpr but still thw 255lph as I can't get it unclipped/out. should I try the adjustable one and set it at 38psi lets say(stock inj) ? I'd try playing around with things(fuel maps/inj trim) in Hondata but I'm scared to, especially without my wideband hooked up. have the throttle body off going to clean the map area out when I get some brake clean/make sure the 0ring is still good.
I wouldn't use brake cleaner. Use some sort of injector or MAF cleaner.
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Default Re: Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

ure doing it the hard way

U have a fueling problem and u takinf cams out...

Borrow a laptop install the wideband and set it up for your s300 and adjust the fuel trims

What is the point of buying a wideband and not using it to tune the car


U doing it backwards
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U sure its fuel and not oil leaking from valve seals/ or puston rings?
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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I wouldn't use brake cleaner. Use some sort of injector or MAF cleaner.
Saw this too late lol if I screwed it up I have a new 4bar Hondata one from when I wanted to boost thing thing lol. it was REALLY gummed up with carbon sludge etc.

Originally Posted by raverx3m
ure doing it the hard way

U have a fueling problem and u takinf cams out...

Borrow a laptop install the wideband and set it up for your s300 and adjust the fuel trims

What is the point of buying a wideband and not using it to tune the car


U doing it backwards
I don't want to gum up the sensor in a short amount of time and for now the car just sits in the garage, selling the ipad and i'll have enough to next month to get a laptop(not a MAC lol).



Originally Posted by raverx3m
U sure its fuel and not oil leaking from valve seals/ or puston rings?

I'd be surprised if it was leaking from the rings as I got this block before x-mas then had it bored to 85mm etc, compression was 255,250,257,254 ok imo. i'll post pics of the plugs I got some new ones too the old ones are covered in a thick black soot (mate colour). I replaced the seam seals recently maybe I did it wrong ? can't tell if the car burns oil yet as it's not traveled more then .5 km's down the road.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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smoke from exhaust. blue smoke i belive

u have a tuning tool (s300, wideband) yet you are beating around the bush and wasting your time with this cam removal and part swapping.


borrow a laptop install the wideband and figure out whats wrong with fueling.

wire in the wideband output into the d14 on your ecu instead of the stock o2 sensor and calibrate it that way you know exactly how rich/lean you running and can adjust the fuel trims to get rid of the problem...


ur theory is same as buying new break pads and not putting them on because u dont want them to wear out...

faster you get it working the better for everything else

u saving a 160 dollar tool and damaging your engine by running too rich how does that make sense?
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Old Feb 28, 2014 | 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Replaced almost everything, the car still runs really rich !

So after spraying the **** out if the TB+itm the car starts much easier in the cold ! however still runs rich I threw my old gsr back in it to save the b20v till I can get it tuned properly(took an hour as I have no trans/driveshafts). Since it does it with both I'm kind of at a loss the onlything I swapped over was the pro intake mani as the iacv bolts got stripped to it so I can't use the ultra street yet.

the gsr has basic bolt on's but stock block/head/fuel deliver save from the pump, still waiting to sell my stupid iPad.
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