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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 04:00 PM
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i have a 96 honda accord exr and i would like to do an h22a swap and im wondering if my stock axles will work without modification.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 05:28 PM
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if you are not changing your transmission from auto to stick or vice verse then there should be no need.
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 09:10 AM
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You either want to go all Accord or all Prelude.

The intermediate shafts are different between the models but are interchangeable. I actually think I did a Prelude passenger axle in mine since the Accord seemed to be binding up a bit. The Driver's side is the one that you need to be identical on.
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 03:29 PM
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u use whatever axle goes with the intermediate/half shaft ur using on the driver side ...pass side shouldnt matter
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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i am changing from auto to stick so is this going to be complicated? also if i need to change them what parts do i need to buy.

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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 10:28 PM
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There are several threads on this. You just need to do some searching.
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan
You either want to go all Accord or all Prelude.

The intermediate shafts are different between the models but are interchangeable. I actually think I did a Prelude passenger axle in mine since the Accord seemed to be binding up a bit. The Driver's side is the one that you need to be identical on.
I understand that many people swear by this but this is simply not true. You're not changing the way the engine phyically mounts in the engine bay in any way. The transmissions use the same case. The blocks between an F18A/B, F20A/B, F22A/B, F23A, H22A and H23A all use the same mounting points and are dimensionally identical where it counts. The holes where the intermediate shafts bolt in are also in the same exact locations. All that known to be true, how is it the case that you could have axle bind?

Furthermore, the statement that claims Prelude axles will work in the Accord as a complete set (once we assume that we're talking about '92-'96 Prelues and '90-'97 Accords) can't be true because there is a difference again between the Accord generations. So if the Prelude setup were to work in one Accord application then it couldn't possibly work in the other.

These are the axle lengths for all three models mentioned for cars with manual transmissions:

'92-'96 Prelude

Left side - 22.685"
Right side - 24.75"

'90-'93 Accord

Left side - 23.5"
Right side - 23.625"

'94-'97 Accord

Left side - 24.375"
Right side - 24.5"
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 08:12 AM
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here is what u need for a 5sp swap

GENERAL LIST
1. 5 speed transmission (F22, F23, H22, H23)
2. 5 speed starter (90-02 Accord 92-02 Prelude)
3. 5 speed shifter assembly w/ shifter cables (90-97 Accord, 92-96 Prelude)
4. 5 speed drivers side axle (your year accord, but from 5-spd version)
5. 5 speed intermediate shaft (your year accord, but from 5-spd version)
6. 5 speed clutch pedal assembly (90-97 Accord, 92-96 Prelude)
7. 5 speed brake pedal arm (90-93 Accord, 94-97 Accord)
8. Clutch master cylinder w/ reservoir and lines (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
9. Clutch line from Clutch master cylinder to clutch dampener (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
10. Clutch dampener assembly (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
11. Clutch line from Clutch dampener to 5 speed tranny (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
12. Clutch line from 5 speed tranny to slave cylinder (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
13. Slave cylinder (90-97 Accord 92-96 Prelude)
14. Clutch (90-02 Accord 92-01 Prelude)
15. Flywheel (90-02 Accord 92-01 Prelude)
16. 5 speed mount (Your year, 5-spd version)
17. 5 speed mount bracket (go to Honda - tell them to look for the bracket that is welded on the car - part is S.O.P and costs 15-25.00) (see notes)
18. MIG WELDER (see notes)
19. BOLTS: 8 Flywheel Bolts, 6 Pressure Plate Bolts, 3 Intermediate Shaft Bolts, 1 Long Tranny Bolt
20. Recommended: HELMS Service Manual (www.helminc.com)
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 08:18 AM
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Default Re: do i need to change my axles if i do an h22a swap and if so what ones do i need

Originally Posted by JarrettL
I understand that many people swear by this but this is simply not true. You're not changing the way the engine phyically mounts in the engine bay in any way. The transmissions use the same case. The blocks between an F18A/B, F20A/B, F22A/B, F23A, H22A and H23A all use the same mounting points and are dimensionally identical where it counts. The holes where the intermediate shafts bolt in are also in the same exact locations. All that known to be true, how is it the case that you could have axle bind?

Furthermore, the statement that claims Prelude axles will work in the Accord as a complete set (once we assume that we're talking about '92-'96 Prelues and '90-'97 Accords) can't be true because there is a difference again between the Accord generations. So if the Prelude setup were to work in one Accord application then it couldn't possibly work in the other.

These are the axle lengths for all three models mentioned for cars with manual transmissions:

'92-'96 Prelude

Left side - 22.685"
Right side - 24.75"

'90-'93 Accord

Left side - 23.5"
Right side - 23.625"

'94-'97 Accord

Left side - 24.375"
Right side - 24.5"
Actually, you are slightly changing how the engine mounts. The H22 sits further back and slightly tilted towards the firewall. Regarding the axle bind, I simply attributed it to that. I didn't spend too much time troubleshooting it but after two new Accord axles had the same issues (busting up) I swapped for a Prelude and didn't have any issues after that.

Also, having actually done the swap in my '96 Accord (which is what the OP has and is asking about) I wasn't just talking out of my ***.

You're also ignoring the intermediate shaft, which while the mounting points are identical, the shaft itself is different (male/female) which may help account for some of the differences in measurement.

You're also ignoring the fact that plenty of people online have been following those instructions and haven't had an issue.
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 09:46 AM
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thanks alot guys this has been a big help now im excited for this build
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 09:49 AM
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Default Re: do i need to change my axles if i do an h22a swap and if so what ones do i need

if i change my axles wont in need to change my hubs as well?
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 10:12 AM
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Default Re: do i need to change my axles if i do an h22a swap and if so what ones do i need

nope!
but if u can switch out to ROH (rotor over hub) it would make it easier to swap rotors later on when doing a full brake job.
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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 11:06 AM
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Default Re: do i need to change my axles if i do an h22a swap and if so what ones do i need

I reused the Accord axles on my 99 coupe when I did the H swap, never had any issues with it.
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