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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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Default How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

I searched, but didnt come up with anything...trying to run dual solenoids as i have a 10lb spring in the gate, and cant get over 25lbs on a single solenoid. So picked up another solenoid and cant find how to have them plumbed or wired. Any info would be appreciated.
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 04:35 PM
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https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/diagnostic-general-discussion-using-twin-boost-solenoids-3018483/page2/#post48791709
trythis

why not run this 4 port one?
http://store.evans-tuning.com/perfor...enoid-kit.html

"The Evans Tuning 4 Port Boost Solenoid opens up the door to running a much smaller wastegate spring to achieve similar or higher boost levels as older 3 port solenoids. Smaller wastegate springs allow lower boost levels when running directly off of the spring so you can ramp up boost gracefully without excessive wheel spin. There has never been a better way to get traction back."
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 04:46 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

Originally Posted by jdm inc
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48791709
trythis

why not run this 4 port one?
http://store.evans-tuning.com/perfor...enoid-kit.html

"The Evans Tuning 4 Port Boost Solenoid opens up the door to running a much smaller wastegate spring to achieve similar or higher boost levels as older 3 port solenoids. Smaller wastegate springs allow lower boost levels when running directly off of the spring so you can ramp up boost gracefully without excessive wheel spin. There has never been a better way to get traction back."
I know about the 4-port. But i currently already have 2 3-port.
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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ah ok. that thread had a diagram posted.
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 05:23 PM
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ah ok. that thread had a diagram posted.
Yeah...thats awesome! Thank you!
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 06:58 PM
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Try 4 port works great I have 8psi spring and can still run 30+ psi
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 07:15 PM
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davef always have the helpful diagrams at hand thanks a lot bro I learned a lot from the things you post
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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no prob, im here for free info
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 09:49 PM
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here also another thread with a fancy pants diagram


https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/diagnostic-general-discussion-using-twin-boost-solenoids-3018483/
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 09:55 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

What Hz on the solenoid are you guys finding works the best? 31hz, 35hz, 78hz examples. Or what about enabling the Variable freq box. I ask beacuse i was only able to make 32psi off a 12.7psi spring and my duty cycle on the solenoid was at 97% when i went to 98-99% the boost dropped... So i just bought a 4 Port ima try that.
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Old Jun 12, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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^^ you'll love it
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hondab18b67
Try 4 port works great I have 8psi spring and can still run 30+ psi
44 on a 9 spring here.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:01 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

So I will be running 2 wastegates this year, and like the idea of the 4 port solenoid, but I would need 2 right? The purpose of the 4 port, is to allow high boost on smaller springs right? Or am I missing something? Also, can you tee the fitting for reference like that, or does Tial call for a dedicated line like on the BOV?
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:08 PM
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you still use one solenoid and tee's are fine
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:10 PM
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If you have an ECU that has multiple outputs that would be best. I use mine like Dave has his, but I have a separate output on the bottom of the gate. When I want more boost than the top solenoid allows I work in the lower solenoid.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:00 PM
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Pretty sure the 4port needs a lower frequency than the 3 ports. I believe I have my 3 port set at 31 and have read the 4 ports like 25-27 hz you'll have to make adjustments and find the sweet spot
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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any difference from running a dual 3 port vs the 4 port?
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:19 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

Some say dual has more adjustability vs the 4 port but then others say the opposite. I would imagine both will give about the same when used properly
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

So then the only reason for dual solenoids, is for the 1 extra port? The only reason I ask is the diagram shows 2 solenoids. But the way I understand it, the 4 port runs both gates?
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:54 PM
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I would think the dual solenoid would have more resolution IF and only IF you have two separate tables. Otherwise they should be pretty close to the same.
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:50 PM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

Originally Posted by vtechjunkie
So then the only reason for dual solenoids, is for the 1 extra port? The only reason I ask is the diagram shows 2 solenoids. But the way I understand it, the 4 port runs both gates?
the 4 port will run the top and bottom port at the same time. its not about the number of wastegates.

one is setup as a bleed type, while the other is providing pressure.
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Old Jun 14, 2013 | 08:00 AM
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Default Re: How do i plumb and wire in dual MAC valves for boost control?

Now I see. I don't know why, but sometimes I get pretty dense. I will just run it the way your diagram has it. Looks easy enough. I am not trying to re-invent the wheel by any means.
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Old Jun 14, 2013 | 09:38 AM
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The 4 port solenoids that we sell run at 31 hz, just like the 3 ports we sell. There are so many different combinations of mac solenoid part numbers it will make your head spin. We worked with Mac to find the correct solenoid to match the 3 port's frequency that are common (31 hz).
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that dang 4 port is expensive! how do we know what hz to use? my 3 port is "lazy" and builds boost SOOO SLOW. thinking of buying a 4 port to solve that issue
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