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Old May 23, 2013 | 08:41 AM
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Hey to whomever reads this. I'm stuck in quite the rut..

I found out that my #1 and #2 cylinders don't fire. So my engine is only running at half potential.

It's getting fuel and spark, but not firing. What could be the symptoms?

Compression?

I've been working on this motor for 7 months now, and I managed to get it running again, but now I have this issue and no money..

I'm seriously considering just selling the engine if I can get anything at all for it to rebuild my f22 that was originally in the car and re-use it again.

Any suggestions, comments, input would be greatly appreciated..

Here's a few specs of the motor:
- H22A1 DOHC VTEC 2.2L
- H22A1 Trans
- Stock engine harness from F22 but modified
- Internal Distributor
- NGK Wires and plugs
- Stock intake manifold
- Stock throttle body
- No PS, no A/C
- Timing is correct
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:51 AM
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Where did you get the engine from? Try spark, fuel and compression. Was it in time when you first started it?

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So its in time. Do a compression test is what I say. Then you can check for spark and fuel related issues.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 01:19 PM
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The motor came from tigerjapanese.com
Worst ******* web site to ever be created.


That's what I was told, if there's no compression, what does that mean I have to do? Take apart the motor?
I know all four cylinders are getting spark and fuel from the injectors.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 01:22 PM
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You more than likely have burnt/bent valves if there is no compression in one or more cylinders. If you know you have no compression in the cylinders do a leak down test to find where exactly its damaged at. A leak down test will tell you if its the piston rings or valves.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 05:11 PM
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How much money are we talking to replace valves or piston rings?

I have an f22 & ecu I can put back in it, is the motor even worth anything now?
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Old May 23, 2013 | 05:52 PM
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How much money are we talking to replace valves or piston rings?

I have an f22 & ecu I can put back in it, is the motor even worth anything now?
Its a lot of money if you have a shop do it, $800-$1500 but if you do it yourself replacing the valves is not that difficult, you just have to do is remove the cylinder head. Pistons are a different story, that requires you remove the entire engine and put it on an engine stand. You need tools for both jobs.

Don't think about doing any of that until you get the compression test done. If you find low or no compression then you will need to get a leak down test done to pinpoint where the compression loss is arising from.

Can you be certain that you have no spark in 2 cylinders? If it truly did not have spark in 2 cylinders (meaning zero compression) then the car would not drive well AT ALL. I would be surprised if you could drive it in that condition.

I would contact the place you got the engine from and complain. If it has a warranty I would make them give you another one. Who installed it you or a shop or a friend?
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Old May 23, 2013 | 07:18 PM
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Its a lot of money if you have a shop do it, $800-$1500 but if you do it yourself replacing the valves is not that difficult, you just have to do is remove the cylinder head. Pistons are a different story, that requires you remove the entire engine and put it on an engine stand. You need tools for both jobs.

Don't think about doing any of that until you get the compression test done. If you find low or no compression then you will need to get a leak down test done to pinpoint where the compression loss is arising from.

Can you be certain that you have no spark in 2 cylinders? If it truly did not have spark in 2 cylinders (meaning zero compression) then the car would not drive well AT ALL. I would be surprised if you could drive it in that condition.

I would contact the place you got the engine from and complain. If it has a warranty I would make them give you another one. Who installed it you or a shop or a friend?
The car doesn't run well at all. I'm certain that there's spark to all four and that all four receive fuel.

Once the car's warmed up, it literally sounds like the car is choking itself, and it dies. I always thought the car was running in limp mode. But now I realize that the issue has been the cylinders for quite some time.

This is horrible because I've put so much time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into this car.

I guess all I can do is put the f22 back in it, but that will require money because I've used parts off of it for my h22. Oh well..
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Old May 23, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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The car doesn't run well at all. I'm certain that there's spark to all four and that all four receive fuel.

Once the car's warmed up, it literally sounds like the car is choking itself, and it dies. I always thought the car was running in limp mode. But now I realize that the issue has been the cylinders for quite some time.

This is horrible because I've put so much time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into this car.

I guess all I can do is put the f22 back in it, but that will require money because I've used parts off of it for my h22. Oh well..
Contact the person who sold it to you and tell them what happened; that you received a defective engine and want a replacement. They should be reasonable with you if you tell them a mechanic installed it and have proof. Most JDM stores give something like 30 or 60 day start up warranty.

Do a compression test first. And don't post on here again until you do that. Tell us the results.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 10:30 PM
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You need to do a compression test and stop guessing about what you could have to do or what could be wrong with the motor.

Do the compression test and stop worrying about something you don't even know yet. Be sure to remove the ecu fuse under the hood to disable spark and fuel.

Bottom line is that if cylinder 1 and 2 were both not firing your car would not be starting at all.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 10:57 PM
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i have never done a h22 swap in a accord but did you use the h22 injectors or f22 is it even possible to run f22 injectors on a h22 and have it run right?
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:00 PM
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also you might wan't to transfer everything inside the distributor from your f22 into the h22. i simple bad icm could cause this as its what controls your spark might not have goot spark, and fuel, injector can be stuck, swaps can get expensive that is y i going turbo on my f22. 2k into the motor and ill be running the same as an h22 that would cost almost the same and f22's HAVE GREAT POTENTIAL. steel sleeves can handle up to 250 or 350 stock i can't remember which was the limit more like 250 i think
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:05 PM
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i have never done a h22 swap in a accord but did you use the h22 injectors or f22 is it even possible to run f22 injectors on a h22 and have it run right?
no it will run lean..i bought what i thought were h22 injectors from fuel injector warehouse and they ran like sht...i think they were for the base model which is f22a1
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:07 PM
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the h22a distributor will be plug and play with his car..nothing to change
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by holmesnmanny
the h22a distributor will be plug and play with his car..nothing to change
really? i tried my mine on the homies swap we just got done with and it doesn't fit. the bolting legs are different, well its a jdm h22a so maybe that is why, he blew his coil so i had to transfer my parts just to get it started and warm it up after dropping in the swap. not saying you are lying, just saying what i saw......
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:16 PM
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90-91 accords already have an internal coil setup so it's plug and play...the 92-93's use an external so it requires a usdm distributor

all distributors will fit into the house fine im not sure exactly what you mean by that
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:21 PM
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it has a 95 jdm distributor looked up the part number and its internal coil. the mounting legs are different on his head then they are mine. the holes don't even try to line up, i know its weird i thought to my self no way is this an h22 distributor but decided to search up the part number on the mounting leg and low and behold its a 95 jdm distributor internal coil. maybe his distributor was converted to internal coil as the dizzy cap that came with it doesn't fit right buy mine does
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:24 PM
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what exactly do you mean mounting leg ? there is no way that distributor doesn't fit...you probably just needed to turn the distributor to get it to line up since the holes are all offset lol
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:26 PM
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eh didn't even want to risk my distributor as well i guess. it has a longer leg where the bolt goes to hold it to the head and it was a 92 eg wasn't sure if it was going to work so i just transferred my insides into the h22 one now hes running a accel coil
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:29 PM
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jdm h22 this is what his looks like except part number matches for jdm 94-95 h22
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