i am checking on sleeving my h22a block,

i thought on fully sleeve and build it at ERL.

the secound option is draton sleeve it and will do the rest of the build.

which one you consider as the best option for H22A fully builld by erl or darton sleeve it?

thanks

 

On my car im using a erl sleeved block and its the nations fastest street all motor h series.. Erl does a really nice job

 

sound good,

i am building it for turbo setup about 700hp.

 

Erl is probably cheaper Darton MIDs spendy on labor

 

Have your bar in my sol, the best bar in my country ,

so erl is adviced for 700hp+? or with darton

 

erl i think us darton sleeve if i not mistaking

 

ERL uses darton. I ran an ERL sleeved block. I wouldn't use any other company for sleeving. They are more expensive then all of the other sleeving company's but you get what you pay for.

 

Best sleeve golden eagle my 2 cents

 

I had erl do an h22 for me and it was very well done. They have a very nice finish hone too. The leak down on the cylinders was the lowest I have ever had after a few hours dyno time. The only thing I didn't like is that it was a different block, not the one I had originally sent.

 

What do you mean by lowest cylinder leak?

After talking with Erl they are not using darton sleeves,
They are using their sleeves.

Therfore i am not sure to decide which will do the job.

 

ERL uses a block gaurd at the deck to support the sleeves?

 

By leak I mean checking the cylinder individually with a leak down tester. After the normal dyno run to seat the rings the numbers I got were the lowest I had seen yet. I will typically see 5-7 percent depending on the ring gaps but this one was more like 2-3. I came to the conclusion that their finish hone contributed to this.

 

Yes, on open deck motors. They call it a deck support. I think for serious power output this may be a nice thing but I have had sleeved blocks with and without and not noticed really any long or short term issues either way. I do like the idea of mimicking the open deck like Honda for streetcars though.

Erl's site has some good tech briefs on it that explain their sleeve process, deck supports, stress relief and line honing info.

What I do not understand is that several sleeve companies claim their sleeves are good for xx psi of boost. But really, shouldn't max cylinder pressure be the true measure?

 

GE > all. I had one loved it. Got a deal on a Benson/Darton so that's whats in it now, but next block I buy will be GE again

 

I always thought of GE as the cheap sleeve company. Until recently that there is cheaper sleeving company's. You will be fine with any option you chose. Even the guys making 1000+ aren't cracking sleeves.

 

Cheap or not... **** works... they are robust and in the quuickest FWD outlaw car in the country/world

In fact they are in a number of record holding cars.


Good enough for me.

 

Who is doing GE sleeves (or full build) and ship worldwide?

thanks

 

They should. That is a pet peeve of mine. PSI is not a variable in determining the integrity of a component. A T3 and an SC61 of similar trims will make far different power at an equivalent boost pressure.

The real question is what kind of air volume said component can reliably handle. There seems to be no consistant standardized test for accurately determining "flow" ratings.

 

What do you mean by "Benson/Darton"?

 

Last I heard Bensons sleeves were MFGd by Darton to "his spec" or whatever.

Actually Earl himself told me that IIRC.

 

These are some pics of my visti to the ERL manufacturing plant from a few years ago. At the time they employed around 90-100 people. They are big in marine and auto.

For any questions you have you can email seth@erpperformance.com or sean@erlperformance.com They have always been great to worth with. Good luck with your engine. I am sharing these pics to get an idea what short of a manufacturing facility they are running, it goes beyond what we call a shop.