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170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 06:31 AM
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Default 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

I just realized I am running a 170f thermostat and Hynness Manual states a 195F should be used. I am getting bad fuel economy about 24MPG on my civic driving pretty on the economy side.

Could this trick the ECU to run richer? BTW I also have my knock sensor broken. I have to replace it but I dont want to remove the intake. I will try to do so by removing the alternator.

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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 06:38 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

Here's a thought. Get a higher temp thermostat and swap it out. They aren't that expensive. Conduct your own experiment.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 06:44 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

what engine requires the need to remove the intake manifold and or alternator. I always just access them from the bottom side of the car quite easily... what engine is in the car?
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 09:11 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

Yes the knock sensor can cause it to run rich. It is trying to compensate. If you go from the bottom, replacing the knock sensor isn't too bad. A mirror is your friend.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 09:25 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

bad knock sensor can cause false readings and retard timing ... the car stays in open loop when the car is not fully warm .. get an oem thermo and knock sensor im sure u will see better gas mileage
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 09:46 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

Originally Posted by apexi_rsx
bad knock sensor can cause false readings and retard timing ... the car stays in open loop when the car is not fully warm .. get an oem thermo and knock sensor im sure u will see better gas mileage
^^This. Both issues cause problems which compound one another
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

This is on a D16Y8. I really find it difficult to get to it easily. I did put two side wheels on top of the sidewalk in order to go under it safely but I do have a pipe there that makes thing worst. I think removing the alternator will make it easier.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 10:38 AM
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Default Re: 170F thermostat and bad knock sensor could affect fuel economy?

Originally Posted by rovafa2002
This is on a D16Y8. I really find it difficult to get to it easily. I did put two side wheels on top of the sidewalk in order to go under it safely but I do have a pipe there that makes thing worst. I think removing the alternator will make it easier.
Agreed- pull alternator. Now there's much more room to work easily.
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