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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 08:35 AM
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Hey guys, I'm not really new here and I'll get straight to the topic.

I got a 90 Si with a 1st gen B16A. The owner says there are gsr cams in the head. Anyways onto my choices and questions.

I'm looking to get 200-220hp/150tq or more and I dont want to go overboard (I feel like my B16 is fast on its own). Money is not an issue, I just want to never have problems with my car I want the reliability.

List of parts I have:
Toda rep with 2.5 collector
B16A head first gen
HKS dual tip sport exhaust (I heard that this exhaust might be a little constricting for the B20V)

List of parts I am considering (I understand I need swap internals on the bottom end to make it reliable)
-B20 Block (obviously, practically throwing away all the internals)
-RC injectors (What cc size should I get? 310? 440? and do I need saturated?)
-ARP head stud and rod bolt kit (Whats the actual name? I understand that these are a necessity)
-Golden Eagle Rods
-RS Machine Pistons (I've heard great things about these, are there others that are better or more reliable?)
-Crank knife edge and polish
-ITR Intake manifold
-Considering port and polish my B16 head but not sure of a reliable place in so cal
-How big of an exhaust do I need? I'm not really a fan of huge 3 inch exhausts so if 2.5 or 2.25 cut it I would be very happy


I'm sure all of you see tons of gaps in my build, please let me know of them! I am not some random fan boy teenager. I have funds and am ready to spend them!
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 08:57 AM
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whats the ballpark compression when your engine is finished? i know your gonna get mixed answers about the exhaust size. I would run a 2.5" exhaust with a magnaflow resonator and a vibrant muffler, ive ran that setup on my b20vtec and made good power and it sounds great and quiet. go no smaller than 2.5". is e85 a option for you?
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:14 PM
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Judging by the list you are very new at this so I will keep things simple and recommend a proven 200-210whp setup that will be loads of fun

b20 with rs machine pistons
stock rods with arp rod bolts. Golden eagle and eagle are two different companies and only one makes rods. You don't need them
DONT screw with knife edging the crank it weakens it and is a waste of time and money
Headstuds are nice but NOT needed.
ITR intake manifold yes
ITR cams
rc 440 is plenty enough
B16a head freshened up with a good valve job and bowl blend. if you are in so cal just contact portflow. You do NOT need to have portwork done.
HKS exhaust may be a bit restrictive but i would run it and upgrade later

Now with all this and tuning, gasket sets etc you will be set back a decent chunk of change to do it right. So don't go overboard and always remember to keep things simple!
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Runnerdown
Judging by the list you are very new at this so I will keep things simple and recommend a proven 200-210whp setup that will be loads of fun

b20 with rs machine pistons
stock rods with arp rod bolts. Golden eagle and eagle are two different companies and only one makes rods. You don't need them
DONT screw with knife edging the crank it weakens it and is a waste of time and money
Headstuds are nice but NOT needed.
ITR intake manifold yes
ITR cams
rc 440 is plenty enough
B16a head freshened up with a good valve job and bowl blend. if you are in so cal just contact portflow. You do NOT need to have portwork done.
HKS exhaust may be a bit restrictive but i would run it and upgrade later

Now with all this and tuning, gasket sets etc you will be set back a decent chunk of change to do it right. So don't go overboard and always remember to keep things simple!
Sorry about that, yes eagle rods. I am watching some auctions for the eagle rods and cp pistons on ebay. Less then 800 bucks for the pair. Is that a high price?

Originally Posted by seelback
whats the ballpark compression when your engine is finished? i know your gonna get mixed answers about the exhaust size. I would run a 2.5" exhaust with a magnaflow resonator and a vibrant muffler, ive ran that setup on my b20vtec and made good power and it sounds great and quiet. go no smaller than 2.5". is e85 a option for you?
Ok, I'll take that 2.5" into consideration. I would like to go pump gas only...
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:37 PM
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https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...eliable+lsvtec
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Runnerdown
Judging by the list you are very new at this so I will keep things simple and recommend a proven 200-210whp setup that will be loads of fun

b20 with rs machine pistons
stock rods with arp rod bolts. Golden eagle and eagle are two different companies and only one makes rods. You don't need them
DONT screw with knife edging the crank it weakens it and is a waste of time and money
Headstuds are nice but NOT needed.
ITR intake manifold yes
ITR cams
rc 440 is plenty enough
B16a head freshened up with a good valve job and bowl blend. if you are in so cal just contact portflow. You do NOT need to have portwork done.
HKS exhaust may be a bit restrictive but i would run it and upgrade later

Now with all this and tuning, gasket sets etc you will be set back a decent chunk of change to do it right. So don't go overboard and always remember to keep things simple!

this is going to be the best advice you are going to get, however, if you dont understand why he recommended these to you, it is something you really need to understand.

reliability depends on a lot of variables from machine work and blueprinting to the assembly process and the quality of parts used. IE: is the crank straight? Bores out of round or tapered? etc etc

I would not expect not to have problems. Always expect things to happen but be prepared for them.

are you building this engine yourself? If so, do you have the proper tools?

Typically I would close these types of threads but I will leave it open for now and see what happens.
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scottmog
Sorry about that, yes eagle rods. I am watching some auctions for the eagle rods and cp pistons on ebay. Less then 800 bucks for the pair. Is that a high price?



Ok, I'll take that 2.5" into consideration. I would like to go pump gas only...
Eagles and CP's are not needed!! That money will come in handy for all the other parts you will need along the way. KEEP IT SIMPLEEEE.
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 01:44 PM
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This is pretty much the icing on the cake. If you have not read through this, you dont need to continue any farther until you do.
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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yes, I've read it. I've read the one here and the one at the B20V forum.

Originally Posted by 98vtec
this is going to be the best advice you are going to get, however, if you dont understand why he recommended these to you, it is something you really need to understand.

reliability depends on a lot of variables from machine work and blueprinting to the assembly process and the quality of parts used. IE: is the crank straight? Bores out of round or tapered? etc etc

I would not expect not to have problems. Always expect things to happen but be prepared for them.

are you building this engine yourself? If so, do you have the proper tools?

Typically I would close these types of threads but I will leave it open for now and see what happens.
Ya I have all the proper tools. I rebuilt a D15Z1 engine from the ground up about two years ago. Was getting 60+ mpg in my crx. I got real sick of having no ***** in the car though.

I'll look further into those rs pistons but for 400 dollars more I could get the eagle rods also... I understand I dont need more rods but how would eagle rods hurt?
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 02:29 PM
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your arent building anything extreme so the extra money could be spent elsewhere on more important aspect of the build as Runnerdown said
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 04:15 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-ACURA-INTEGRA-B18A-B-DOHC-non-VTEC-SUPER-TREATED-RODS-SHOTPEENED-POLISHED-/321093085930?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac2a3aaea&vxp=mtr
Found these the other day, most likely gonna purchase a set for my build. Seems pretty resonable for 210 shipped. You can use stock rods with RS pistons. Just a suggestion....
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Old Apr 9, 2013 | 04:28 PM
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runnerdown's first post hit the nail on the head. im looking for the same reliability as you but with an lsvtec and consequently slightly lower power goals.

keep it simple. a b16 head with itr springs/retainers and cams. a b20 block with the rs machines itr pistons and arp rodbolts. a good intake, header and exhaust that all compliment each other and you are rocking and rolling.

save the money you were gonna spend on pistons/rods and put that toward a good engine management system and dyno time.
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