I need help with a decision from those with experience.

I am the original owner of '97 Accord LX 4DR with F22B2 motor with 118K on it. It is fully stock right now with auto trans.

I have roughly $2500-$3000 burning a hole in my pocket.

I'm looking at a '93 Prelude S with F22A1 2DR, 5 speed manual. The chassis has 230K on it and the engine/tranny claims to be 50K. Here is the link to what I'm considering.

I love the Prelude look and it's more sporty 2DR and I really want a manual trans but I could use my $ and put it into my Accord. I do like the fact that I'm the only owner of the Accord so I know it's been babied. Based on my research so far it seems I could mod the F22A1 cheaper with mostly scavenged parts off of other cars. The mods to the F22B2 seem more aftermarket besides the F23 intake manifold. I should mention I'd like to stay NA and don't see myself going turbo or even boosted.

I am new to all of this but have tried to do my research. I'm looking for opinions/advice from those that have dealt with either of these motors and what you might do in my situation.

Thanks for the help as always!

 

Currently, I own a 1999 Honda Prelude, if I were you I'd get a 5th gen, they come 100% stock with 200 hp. They are really quick. But if you do decide to go with this 4th gen, ask him if he has paperwork stating that it does have that 50,000 miles, if he doesn't have that then I wouldn't risk it. I would also shoot for an H22 motor in my opinion. but if that car checks out I would go with it, it's really clean.

 

if you have 3k to spend, plus your accord, you will have around 6-7k to spend. get a 4th gen with a h22a in it. Im not a fan of the 5th gens, but you can get a nice 5th gen for 5k

bulls*&t honda installed his engine. LOL. he has an ebay lip and an ebay shifter. Make sure he shows proof of 50k engine. then again, microsoft word has an invoice receipt template. anyone can make fake paperwork. lol i did it for a hockey stick once(to get a new one for free).

but 3k, that car looks good. ask him what kinda lowering system hes running

 

Looks like the new engine in the prelude is an h23 as well. 3k isn't a terrible deal but I would definitely get some new pictures of the car as the wheel color is different in some of them. Like previous post said find out what suspension he has on there as he seems to like buying parts from ebay.

 

dont know where you're from, but this is a killer deal

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ472702867

 

i heard by a lot that the h23 didnt have oil squirters which is a bad deal if you run high rpms a lot of people blow them up due to no oil lube. lmk if im wrong

 

You are misinformed.

The H23a1 is a non vtec motor that has oil holes in the rods which allows oil to get to where it needs it to be.

The problem is that kids who think that the H23 is a high reving motor, rev it to redline and beyond and then don't keep there oil levels up and keep the oil changed every 3000 miles.

So they think "OMG this motor sucks because it does not rev that high, and destroys itself..."

When in fact the motor was not made to pull to 8200rpm, the redline is right where it needs to be.

It makes 160hp/163tq so its a great motor, but its not a B16/18 or H22, so quit reving the **** out of when it does not belong up there anyways.

This motor can be converted to the H23aVtec BlueTop version and does not need oil squirters because Honda built the BlueTop to rev lower and make good Torqe but still have VTEC.

Now if you build the bottom end and balance it to rev higher, then you can do it, but a stock H23 is not built that way.

So get the facts straight and do more research. The H23a1 motor is non vtec, the H23aVTEC motor does not have oil squirters but has oiling holes in the rods just like its non-vtec counter part.

The H23A BlueTop makes 197hp/163tq stock.

If you want a race engine then you build it, if you want a daily driver engine then you build that too, but do not expect a motor to go outside of its operating efficiency and then go boom and think "What the Hell happened??"

Do research...

 

The jdm H23a Vtec and the jdm h22a bottom blocks are the exact same. The only difference is specs of crank throw and rod.

H22a Bore 87mmX90.7mm stroke Vs H23a 87mmX95mm

If you sleeve and run forged internals the H23 will be happy to spin 8,5K like the H22a without issues. Its just a longer stroke means you make power lower in rpm range. Then get guttless higher in the R's. The red-line is only based on how high your making power with the H23. Yes longer stroke does mean not as high of rpm potential. But with cams, lighter flywheel, and balance shaft delete, and a good tune you will make power a bit higher in the R's over stock.

 

4th gen all the way. I'd just find a Lude with a h22 5 spd. H23a1 is a great motor too, so you can't go wrong with either motor.

 

Just grab the Prelude and continue preserving the Accord. That gen of Accord is awesome but the automatic transmission on them won't take well to mods...bulletproof cars except for the A/T (which is still reliable, just doesn't keep up with the rest of the car. Where the A/T will easily last 200k miles the rest of the car will last 400k miles+).

That F22 Prelude is pretty much a 94-97 Accord EX coupe with beefier suspension and nicer interior with damn good seats. Pretty sure it's also as bulletproof so can't go wrong. Hell even more due to M/T. 30mpg+ easily.

 

So did ya end up getting it?!

 

195hp at the flywheel, 160whp. Which actually matters, just sayin'