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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 12:20 PM
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Default Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

Am I looking at this accurately?

TIMING:
D16Z6 stock ignition timing: 16BTDC

Advance the timing by tapping the distributor toward the firewall.
Retard the timing by moving it toward the front bumper.

The mark to the left of 16-BTDC is advanced at 18-BTDC.
The mark to the right of 16-BTDC is retarded at 14-BTDC.
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A/F:
Rich means more fuel than actually needed for a "clean" burn.
Stoich (stoichemetric) means a perfect mixture of air and fuel.
Lean means there is not enough fuel, and too much air is NOT being ignited.

Ignition timing (timing) and A/F ratio are two different things, however...

Retarding the ignition richens the A/F ratio.
Advancing the ignition leans the A/F ratio.

Clarification: the A/F ratio measured is not the atmosphere existing within the combustion chamber pre-ignition, but post combustion, for example: o2 sensor readings, or emissions sample.

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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

What are you confused about?
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 03:41 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

Just wrapping my head around the interconnectedness of these systems.

And my HC and CO were on the high side on my emissions test. Figure if I advance the timing to 18, in theory it should bring them down.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:47 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

Your HC and CO will go down since it's burning then up but your nox will go up since you will have a increase temperature
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 09:08 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

what year is the vehicle?
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

if you have high hc and co your cat is probably failing, or you have a significant fuel system problem. I'd be more worried about that than your base timing.
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

Originally Posted by VegasInvasion
if you have high hc and co your cat is probably failing, or you have a significant fuel system problem. I'd be more worried about that than your base timing.
Well, I played around with timing and it did not make a big difference. I think you're on the right track about the fuel system. I already replaced the fuel filter and tested fuel pressure, confirming pressure is correct and that the regulator is functioning.

The CAT and o2 sensor are both new.

I'm thinking injectors. I am running without a resistor box, perhaps I am running low impedance injectors... Would such an improper setup produce a rich condition? How could I tell, visually, if the injectors were high or low?
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

I just tried to put obd0 injector clips onto my current injectors and they do not fit. So that's not the problem.

I am at a loss.

The dizzy is new, as are the plugs. TPS has recently been calibrated. Perhaps my o2 sensor is not working properly. Or I wired it incorrectly. Any other ideas? I am getting crappy mileage. No CEL.
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 10:03 AM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

I am inspecting my harness, starting with the injectors to re-check my work.

injector 1. brown
injector 2. red
injector 3. blue
injector 4. yellow

The original harness was obd0, I removed the resistor box and spliced the wires. Each injector wire is soldered direct wire for wire. The yellow/black power wire is soldered to the conjoined 4 yellow/black wires going to each injector.

Is this correct?

The second pic is to show the obd0 connector where all five wires route to on the driver side...
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

I also re-checked my wiring for the o2 sensor.

A Rywire conversion harness was used, which provides the wires for a 4 wire o2 sensor. The below info was provided by rywire

1. BROWN -- o2 Heater -- ecu A6
2. PURPLE -- o2 ground -- ecu D22
3. YELLOW -- o2 12v -- ecu A25
4. GRAY -- o2 signal -- ecu D14

I used a Denso o2 sensor (234-4209). It has raw wires, not a connector. I soldered each wire to the coinciding wire. I also checked the subharness connection to the ecu and each is pinned properly.
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

Everything looks to be done correct. Does anyone see anything wrong?
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing and A/F ratio...

clearly it's rich as hell, you may have a bad injector. replace the main relay. you may have a vacuum leak causing the FPR not to reflex properly, and obviously throw off the MAP signal. The O2 could easily have a bad connection or too much resistance, or the heat circuit might be improperly wired. there's not much else we can do beyond that without inspecting the vehicle.
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