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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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Okay, so I drive a 92 hatch with full interior. I'm running a jdm b16a w/LSD and i/h/e and a basemapped ECU. My launch control is set to 3750 and I was running 20 psi in the front on street tires. Here's my best run.

15.24 1/4
90.38 mph was what I trapped
reaction time was .9791
60 was 2.35

My best reaction of the day was .6748 and my best 60 was like 2.33. Any tips on how I could run a 14, if at all possible with my current set-up? Thanks guys.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:01 PM
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Your 60ft times need serious improvement.

Are you doing a burnout before the run?

What type of street tires are you running? street tires can be anything from Uniroyal Tigerpaws(LOL) up to Bridgestone Potenza RE11's/Falken Azenis/Kumho XS (which are not far from R-Compound tires.

Are you basically revving up to your "launch control" set RPM then just dumping the clutch?

What type of suspension are you running?

We need more information on your setup and what you are doing to give more accurate advice.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 4genaccordfreak
Your 60ft times need serious improvement.

Are you doing a burnout before the run?

What type of street tires are you running? street tires can be anything from Uniroyal Tigerpaws(LOL) up to Bridgestone Potenza RE11's/Falken Azenis/Kumho XS (which are not far from R-Compound tires.

Are you basically revving up to your "launch control" set RPM then just dumping the clutch?

What type of suspension are you running?

We need more information on your setup and what you are doing to give more accurate advice.
Yeah my 60s horrible. And no burnout before the run. Just a quick launch to warm up the tires, but I guess that's not adequate? And I'm running yoko s.drives. And yeah I literally revved up to my launch control rpm and dumped the clutch. And I'm using function and form coilovers and my car is dumped to the point where it's frowned upon on honda-tech aha
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:22 PM
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Post the slip. These guys can tell you alot more.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sLyBlAzNbBoI
Yeah my 60s horrible. And no burnout before the run. Just a quick launch to warm up the tires, but I guess that's not adequate? And I'm running yoko s.drives. And yeah I literally revved up to my launch control rpm and dumped the clutch. And I'm using function and form coilovers and my car is dumped to the point where it's frowned upon on honda-tech aha
First I would get a set of drag radials and get some heat in them before you get to the line...no need for a john force burnout but get some smoke off those tires lol. I always slip my clutch never dump it you could use your Ebrake for a staging brake to preload the car....raise it up...hellagay doesn't belong on a track your in a situation were you want traction and you take away half the tire cause of camber
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 89turboaccord
Post the slip. These guys can tell you alot more.
.9791 - reaction
2.3474 - 60
6.4876 - 330
9.8595 - 1/8
72.95mph - 1/8
15.2415 - 1/4
90.38 - 1/4


Originally Posted by ekcoupeh22
First I would get a set of drag radials and get some heat in them before you get to the line...no need for a john force burnout but get some smoke off those tires lol. I always slip my clutch never dump it you could use your Ebrake for a staging brake to preload the car....raise it up...hellagay doesn't belong on a track your in a situation were you want traction and you take away half the tire cause of camber
Radials are out of the question aha, but I will focus more on warming up my tires the next time I run at the track. And I had a feeling my ride-height was hindering my times. And I'll also try slipping the clutch instead of dumping it at the start. And raising the car is definitely possible as well. Thanks for the help man.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:32 PM
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Default Re: First Time At The Track. Tips Welcome.

Yeah it all takes seat time my first turbo car I got 3 seconds off over a half a season just by practice
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sLyBlAzNbBoI
Yeah my 60s horrible. And no burnout before the run. Just a quick launch to warm up the tires, but I guess that's not adequate? And I'm running yoko s.drives. And yeah I literally revved up to my launch control rpm and dumped the clutch. And I'm using function and form coilovers and my car is dumped to the point where it's frowned upon on honda-tech aha
Alot of experience will come from trial and error with practice. You will learn what works and what does not.

You need to tidy up your setup before shooting for anything quicker than mid-low 15's in the 1/4.

I remember back in the early 2000's we used to race completely stock untuned b16a's in EF's and EG's running low 14's in 1/4 on street tires. 13's on slicks.

Alot of newb's to racing do not understand that the vehicle setup as a whole, plays a HUGE part of a quicker ET not just power of the motor.

Your dumped suspension is definitely the first place to start (since it's free).

You need to start by raising the car back up so ATLEAST the front tires are square and true (more tire tread area contact = better launch/traction out of the hole)
Also raising the rear up slightly higher in the rear will transfer the vehicles weight to the front which will also improve launch and traction.

Your slammed suspension high-negative camber angles naturally cause TOE-angle changes and are probably causing a wiping action under hard acceleration or braking.
An alignment is key. Dead straight TOE adjustments will help alot with overall grip.

Also dumping the clutch only causes more tire spin especially on street tires.
Do some research on clutch pre-loading while using the e-brake to hold you at the line.
Then just practice letting everything go in the right order without mistakes and your times will be quicker and quicker.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 05:45 PM
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okay. seriously, thanks for these pointers guys. running at the track one time literally got me out of hard-parker "stance" mode. gonna raise the car and put these tips to use at the next event in my home-town.
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Old Nov 11, 2012 | 06:34 PM
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Default Re: First Time At The Track. Tips Welcome.

Originally Posted by 4genaccordfreak
Alot of experience will come from trial and error with practice. You will learn what works and what does not.

You need to tidy up your setup before shooting for anything quicker than mid-low 15's in the 1/4.

I remember back in the early 2000's we used to race completely stock untuned b16a's in EF's and EG's running low 14's in 1/4 on street tires. 13's on slicks.

Alot of newb's to racing do not understand that the vehicle setup as a whole, plays a HUGE part of a quicker ET not just power of the motor.

Your dumped suspension is definitely the first place to start (since it's free).

You need to start by raising the car back up so ATLEAST the front tires are square and true (more tire tread area contact = better launch/traction out of the hole)
Also raising the rear up slightly higher in the rear will transfer the vehicles weight to the front which will also improve launch and traction.

Your slammed suspension high-negative camber angles naturally cause TOE-angle changes and are probably causing a wiping action under hard acceleration or braking.
An alignment is key. Dead straight TOE adjustments will help alot with overall grip.

Also dumping the clutch only causes more tire spin especially on street tires.
Do some research on clutch pre-loading while using the e-brake to hold you at the line.
Then just practice letting everything go in the right order without mistakes and your times will be quicker and quicker.

^This. Practice with different ways or "aggressiveness" when slipping the clutch. I had those same tires 205/50/15 took them down to 15-18 psi quick burnout as street tires do not benefit from alot of heat, it can actually hinder ur performance. Also, see how much power u can step on the gas with. Might not be able to floor it leaving the line, might have to go 3/4 partial throttle till almost time to shift. At this point hammer down the throttle and shift to 2nd.

14.5s are reachable, just lots of practice. Good luck.
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