How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
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How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
I've been looking at some K20 swaps but I don't know if I feel like it's worth it. Would I be able to get my HP up to around at least 180 with my D17? I don't want to turbo it because obviously a D17 shoudn't be turbo'd.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
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A. Depends on what you consider "worth it."
B. You aren't going to get 180hp from a D17 unless you boost it.
C. Plenty of D17's have been boosted. I see them regularly.
Q: What can I do to make my engine perform better?
- A: Unfortunately, the D17 does not respond well to standard bolt-ons or natural aspiration build-ups. Even with higher compression pistons, a high-performance cam, custom intake manifold and throttle body, cold air intake, aftermarket header and exhaust, and head work, you may only see 20 to 30 whp (which really isn't worth the thousands you would invest in the project). Your three "best" options are a Nitrous kit (only up to 60hp shot on stock internals), a turbo-setup, or swapping for a K-series engine.
One thing you can do for a noticeable increase of WHP at an affordable price is to install a Crower Stage 1 cam. Match this with an exhaust system and an intake and you can see an increase of as much as 20 WHP. You do not need to run an aftermarket management system. The Crower Stage 1 cam will work with your stock ECU.
See post #9 for a dyno graph: https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-2001-2005-78/stage-1-cams-2844103/
- A: Unfortunately, the D17 does not respond well to standard bolt-ons or natural aspiration build-ups. Even with higher compression pistons, a high-performance cam, custom intake manifold and throttle body, cold air intake, aftermarket header and exhaust, and head work, you may only see 20 to 30 whp (which really isn't worth the thousands you would invest in the project). Your three "best" options are a Nitrous kit (only up to 60hp shot on stock internals), a turbo-setup, or swapping for a K-series engine.
One thing you can do for a noticeable increase of WHP at an affordable price is to install a Crower Stage 1 cam. Match this with an exhaust system and an intake and you can see an increase of as much as 20 WHP. You do not need to run an aftermarket management system. The Crower Stage 1 cam will work with your stock ECU.
See post #9 for a dyno graph: https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-2001-2005-78/stage-1-cams-2844103/
B. You aren't going to get 180hp from a D17 unless you boost it.
C. Plenty of D17's have been boosted. I see them regularly.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
i was gonna say, did you read the FAQ's? lol but anyway...
i've seen a build once at a turbonetics car meet where some dude had a sedan EX and it had roughly about 275hp. no turbo. no nitrous. no nothing.... he had intake and exhaust all done. 3" all the way around. but the thing is, he had custom built internals. the motor was ported and polished. he had a custom intake manifold and custom throttle body. needless to say, it was not street legal here in california, but he still drove it around once in a while. mpg's were **** too. he probably got around 23 mpg... on top of that, his build was more expensive than just swapping a K series motor in there. but it was sponsored and he just wanted to be different by sticking with the D17a2.
i've seen a build once at a turbonetics car meet where some dude had a sedan EX and it had roughly about 275hp. no turbo. no nitrous. no nothing.... he had intake and exhaust all done. 3" all the way around. but the thing is, he had custom built internals. the motor was ported and polished. he had a custom intake manifold and custom throttle body. needless to say, it was not street legal here in california, but he still drove it around once in a while. mpg's were **** too. he probably got around 23 mpg... on top of that, his build was more expensive than just swapping a K series motor in there. but it was sponsored and he just wanted to be different by sticking with the D17a2.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
i was gonna say, did you read the FAQ's? lol but anyway...
i've seen a build once at a turbonetics car meet where some dude had a sedan EX and it had roughly about 275hp. no turbo. no nitrous. no nothing.... he had intake and exhaust all done. 3" all the way around. but the thing is, he had custom built internals. the motor was ported and polished. he had a custom intake manifold and custom throttle body. needless to say, it was not street legal here in california, but he still drove it around once in a while. mpg's were **** too. he probably got around 23 mpg... on top of that, his build was more expensive than just swapping a K series motor in there. but it was sponsored and he just wanted to be different by sticking with the D17a2.
i've seen a build once at a turbonetics car meet where some dude had a sedan EX and it had roughly about 275hp. no turbo. no nitrous. no nothing.... he had intake and exhaust all done. 3" all the way around. but the thing is, he had custom built internals. the motor was ported and polished. he had a custom intake manifold and custom throttle body. needless to say, it was not street legal here in california, but he still drove it around once in a while. mpg's were **** too. he probably got around 23 mpg... on top of that, his build was more expensive than just swapping a K series motor in there. but it was sponsored and he just wanted to be different by sticking with the D17a2.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
sorry. 175hp. fat finger syndrome. i cant say for sure exactly how much hp it had though because i never saw proof. i only say the car and motor and he wouldnt tell me all that was done. it def wasnt street legal though... i questioned the guy but he couldn't give me any proof. though his motor looked pretty built and all that good stuff. i'll have to find him again at the next meet and take some pics to show you, if the car is still in one piece.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
I have a boosted d17 ive only got 202hp at the wheels and im here to tell you the cost is now worth it do the k-swap and you start out bone stock 225hp
i run a crower stage 2 cam, port-polish, ti-retainers, stock rods & pistons, precision turbo .63 a/r, tail wastegate and bov, k-pro
i run a crower stage 2 cam, port-polish, ti-retainers, stock rods & pistons, precision turbo .63 a/r, tail wastegate and bov, k-pro
Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
I have a boosted d17 ive only got 202hp at the wheels and im here to tell you the cost is now worth it do the k-swap and you start out bone stock 225hp
i run a crower stage 2 cam, port-polish, ti-retainers, stock rods & pistons, precision turbo .63 a/r, tail wastegate and bov, k-pro
i run a crower stage 2 cam, port-polish, ti-retainers, stock rods & pistons, precision turbo .63 a/r, tail wastegate and bov, k-pro
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
The questions you are asking make me feel that you shouldn't be doing anything more technical than a tune up.
180whp non turbo is do-able, but you're going to spend the same amount of money as if you were to build the motor to handle boost and make twice the power.
If a D16A6 can make 206 whp naturally aspirated, I see no reason why a D17 can't, but like I just said.
180whp non turbo is do-able, but you're going to spend the same amount of money as if you were to build the motor to handle boost and make twice the power.
If a D16A6 can make 206 whp naturally aspirated, I see no reason why a D17 can't, but like I just said.
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
the main problem with the d17 is the flow its way restrictive 180hp n/a is very do able, boosted you will max out the d17 around 300hp fully built, save the time and effort do the k-swap you will have a better base to build on if you want more power down the road
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
heres all the specs to the k20a2 hp wise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
And for lols please explain what physically limits any D17 to 300 (whp? any hp?)
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
Evidently he's never seen Andy's car. https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2342411
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Re: How to get my HP up drastically with D17? (Not using turbo)
ok ill give it to you that my words are not to par for you as this is the first build that has been seen by my eyes i just got done rebuilding my d17 and even before i started my build the most i have seen in any d17 is around 375hp max. what limits the d17 is the flow into and out of the head not saying that it aint possible to get bigger numbers but to the avarage pocket big numbers like that are very possible with alot of custom work how did you over come the fuel pump, what kind of in take you running, because its not stock. dollar for dollar the k-swap well in the end net you bigger numbers