I have searched diligently both with Google and specifically within Honda-Tech for the interchangeability of a rear bearing/hub assembly with the '96 ITR hubs and other Honda vehicles to no avail.

This post which references this site and seems to indicate the Accord 90-97 Accord and 97-99 CL rear bearing/hub will work.

Can anyone answer this question definitively and quell the onslaught of uncertainty!?

Found the JDM part number:
42200-ST7-Z01 (non-ABS)
42200-ST7-Z51 (ABS)

I will be compiling a list soon of replacement parts related to this suspension.

Still need to know if there is a US market equivalent.

 

What car is this going on?

 

you can convert to 5x114. but im not sure of a direct replacement for 4x114 though

 

A '95 Civic 3-door, but that's sort of irrelevant.

Great! Thanks!

 

ttt

 

my memory tells me something about a hybrid one working, prius? Just remember reading something some were.

 

The Civic hybrid hub has been tossed around, but I do not think anyone has confirmed this. It also appears to be the typical 4x100 and 56.1 CB

These cars share the PCD and CB.

Bump for more help! Thanks for everything thus far!

 

Found the JDM part number:
42200-ST7-Z01 (non-ABS)
42200-ST7-Z51 (ABS)

I will be compiling a list soon of replacement parts related to this suspension.

Still need to know if there is a US market equivalent.

 

Not really. How many of us in a USDM ITR forum has really had to deal with a 4x114 hub?

Point being, try the Hybrid forum. That's where this post belongs anyways.

 

True, but the suspension still comes from a Type-R. A hybrid forum WOULD be irrelevant to the question. Thanks for the response though!

 

Todd...I do. I'm also the guy that runs ITR Expo. Didn't see you out there this year btw.

And yes, I would love to know if we have an interchange part for both front and rear hubs. I have the JDM EPC running on a VM, but I did not see anything interchange with the US one on last check. I hope I am wrong on that.

 

IMO this site would be improved if Todd were banned.

 

I've been doing an immense amount of research on this for the good of the 4x114.3 ITR community.

I spoke with someone earlier today at NTN and he confirmed they are no longer producing the rear wheel bearing assembly for that car because Honda no longer demands it. From all my research it was never a factory part on any other car. There are several bearing offered by NTN that are VERY close. I have the dimensions for the ITR bearing and am comparing it with the others.

So far I'm really liking the bearing from the 1996 Honda Prelude 2.2L. The Timken part number is 512022 and contains an NTN bearing. At $38.99 from Autozone you can't beat that for OEM replacement parts!

Here is a photo of the dimensions of both the Type-R and Prelude bearing. The Type-R bearing is part number HUB157-17 while the Prelude is the other highlighted set of dimensions. If your unable to read it, right click on it and click "view image" for a larger image.

All that being said, I still need to remove my rear wheel bearing assembly and compare it visually to the Prelude (and Accord, CL) units. But I'm confident the Prelude will work while adding 3.7mm of offset.

Also, HUB083-64 and HUB181-29 (not pictured) are Accord units which are very close as well.




That was my first experience with him. Hmmmm....

 

your post was moved because little cry babies like todd bitch and whine about how special their theft magnets are and that you are posting in the wrong section.

if you ever post in the itr section again tell people you have an itr

you may have noticed that todd likes to tell people to go to the hybrid forum so they will never get any help since no one ever posts in the hybrid forum.

in short the message from him specifically is "i'm above you and you're not important"

 

I sort of sensed that, but there's no bad blood. Thanks for all the support from the rest of the community! Hopefully I'll solve this issue soon and be able to help others who have encountered the same problem.

 

Hope to pull my ITR hub today and compare to others.

 

x2

he doesn't know jack **** about repairs, mods or much of anything other than how to be an ******* to people who have questions.

if i ever randomly get mod status he would be getting infractions for the way he treats other members

 

Pulled the hubs today for inspection. Realized the importer gave me 4x100 rears and 4x114.3 fronts. Not happy.

 

Ok! Got the correct rear brake assembly and pulled the hubs. Unfortunately it turns out they're NTN part # HUB148. I called NTN and they confirmed they have no production history for this (no beginning and end date). Dimensionally it is similar to the hub on the Civic Aerodeck from the UK market. Problem is the cost for that bearing specifically through UKDM part sites is over $400. Ordered a Timken 97 CL rear hub assembly through Autozone. Will compare.

 

Compared the ITR hub assembly to the first-gen. CL hub assembly today. There are minor differences that may or may not be problematic. First, the bearing is recessed more on the CL hub than on the ITR hub. This will require more thread on the spindle, which I don't know if it's available. Second, the overall diameter of the hub is larger which permits OEM ITR rotors from being installed. Fix: machine about an 1/8" off of the diameter. Pictures for reference.



I was also curious if this meant the CL rotors would fit. They're too large.



Sidenote: I think my rotors were at Fukushima.

 

Interesting, I was going to try the CL hubs when I still had my 4x144 setup. Sorry to see that they weren't the direct bolt-on I hope they'd be!

 

Yeah...

I have a couple other options I will be trying, but local part stores stock nothing so everything must be ordered with delays. The OEM hubs CAN be ordered, but for nearly $400. Apparently the 5-door Civic VTI hubs from the UK are also the same as OEM, but they're obviously not cheap as well.

 

So I do believe I have solved this dilemma with the best possible option found stateside. I can confirm that nearly all of the dimensions and specs. of the 98-02 Accord (drum brakes) rear hub assembly is similar to the 96 spec. ITR rear hubs except for the overall diameter (139mm v. 152mm) and the bearing height (51mm v. 59mm)

This photo should help explain the differences.



In this photo you will notice the two differences are represented by "Df" which is overall diameter, and "B1" which is bearing height. The overall diameter will need to be reduced by a machine shop or crafty grinder wielding fellow by a very small amount to fit inside of the ITR rear brake discs. If you've upgraded to larger discs, it won't be a problem. The bearing height difference may or may not cause a problem. It is a difference of 8mm (roughly 1/3") which means you will have that much less to turn the spindle bolt. Folks switching to 5-lug and having the same problem get around this by using the shallower 93-02’ Mazda 626 or Protégé Axle Nut (part #: GJ21-33-042B). Ok, so here are some part numbers!

The Timken part number (which uses NTN bearings) is: 512176
The SKF part number is: BR930167
The USDM OE number is: 42200-S84-C01

I wouldn't recommend any manufacturers beyond these, but that's just me. They're suppliers of OE parts for many companies and I'd personally stick with them. Other manufacturers do exist though with lower prices.

 

Im sorry to hear this as I have 3/4 of 4x114 hubs. Ive been doing a lot of research as well but just into part numbers and such. I too found the first gen CL hub answer but have never gotten around to looking for one. Cross referenced the CL hub is the same as any 95-97 V6 equipped model Accord rear hub.

Info from another forum:

front hubs: 44610-S10-000/44600-S10-000 (without studs/with them)
front bearings: 44300-S5A-008/44300-S5A-004 (from regular DC GS-R)
rear hub/bearings: 42200-SV7-C61 (from the first generation Acura CL/CE6 V6 Accord)

Where I found the JDM part number:
http://www.autodynamics-honda.com/host7rewhbeh.html

Still holding onto my 1 rear hub, looking for its mate.

 

Sorry for digging this one up, I PM'd the OP, but no response so far. No other answers are listed anywhere.

Is anyone running this set-up (98-02 Accord rear drum hubs)? I need a new rear wheel bearing on my 4x114 set-up.