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Old Jul 18, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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i have a stock f22a1 with 146,xxx miles on it headers and a short ram intake. i plan on strengthening internals later on and putting a turbo kit but for now i wanted to maximize the amount of air flow and fuel flow in my car. any reccomendations on how to safely increase this?
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 02:09 PM
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untill you follow through on the turbo install, your factory injectors should be capable of supplying all the fuel you need.

An H23 intake manifold flows a little better than your A1. you said header, what about the rest of the exhaust? a mild cam regrind (along with a chip & tune) should also improve fuel/air throughput.
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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I planned on Changing the injectors and fuel pump right before I put the turbo on.

I heard the h23 intake manifold along with the throttle body and a pt6 ecu would add power but would I still be able to add a turbo to that set up? And I have the full exhaust system just need a o2 sensor to get the car running right. I wasnt worried about a cam because I planned on ordering a stage 2 Bisimoto camshaft and cam gear. Anything other than these things?
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 03:21 PM
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If you want to add a turbo you will need a tunable engine management system (EMS) IE a chipped and tunable ECU. The PT6 is not tunable.

If you are planning a turbo build you should build your engine, including cam, around the turbo and the amount of power you are planning to put down.
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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I just wanted to add a little power to my car for now for a decent price I plan on adding a turbo further down the line after I strengthen internals, upgrade brake system, and upgrade fuel system (not in that order).

Would I still be able to run the h23 intake manifold and throttle body with a tuned ecu?
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 03:46 PM
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You can run the H23 IM and throttle body upgrade with a stock PT6 ECU. No need for tuning. Sure you can tune it if you want. However, the gains will probably not out way the cost. Until you start to break into the engine there is really no need to tune.
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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I wanted to know if I can keep the manifold and throttle body on from the h23 if I added a turbo and put a tuned ecu in it not the pt6 ecu after I strengthen internals of course though or would I have to keep the f22a1 manifold and throttle body with a tuned ecu with the turbo?
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Yes, you can keep the H23 IM and TB when you end up adding boost and tuned ECU later down the road.
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 04:25 PM
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Thanks a lot I appreciate the help gonna hunt for the parts this weekend. Any other tips to increase the performance on the f22?
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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The best tip I can give for increased performance is maintaining your entire vehicle! Don't neglect the vehicle just so you can put money into the engine.

A full tune up would definitely help! Including ignition coil, ignitor, distributor cap, rotor, plugs, wires etc etc.... Along with any other regular maintenance, brakes, shocks etc etc....
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 01:02 PM
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Thanks. I already replaced spark plugs, wires, valve cover gaskets (complete set), brakes, I planned on soon distributor cap next etc. the car is currently just sitting I want to fix a few things before I run it ima just run my supra for a while as I work on the Honda thanks for the help
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 09:47 PM
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just got a new question before i go tomorrow and rip out a pt6 from the junk yard and buy it i hear it already comes in 93 honda accord ex? i have a 93 honda accord ex wagon should it have the pt6 ecu already?
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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Default Re: maximum fuel/air for f22a1

also should i regrind my f22a1 cams or get a f22a6 cam and regrind it?
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 09:57 PM
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Stick with your A1 cam. Really ether one will do if you are sending it out for a level * regrind.
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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Stick with your A1 cam. Really ether one will do if you are sending it out for a level * regrind.
what about the pt6 situation? is it in 93 accord wagons? or do i have to get one
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 04:51 AM
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If you have an all original US 93 EX Accord wagon than you should have an F22A6 engine with a PT6 ECU.

However you mentioned that you have an F22A1. Was the A1 swapped in?
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 04:53 PM
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Honestly I bought the car the way it was the guy was Doing a head gasket Job on it my dad bought it off him for $500 got the head gasket done and gave it to me. Since then I just put a full exhaust on it, short ram intake and change the valve cover gaskets that's all I can think of right now it came with the f22a1 motor
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 05:02 PM
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OK so now you need to find out what ECU you have under the carpet then. Because your wagon originally came with an F22A6 under the hood.

Unless you are from Canada that is! Then it all makes sense, the Canadian EX wagon is the same as the US LX. The Canadian EX-R Wagon came with the F22A6/PT6.

Not that it really matters in this case because you are going to need a chipped dOBD1 ECU in the end anyway.
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Old Jul 22, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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Default Re: maximum fuel/air for f22a1

Lol no I am from the u.s guess I'll check for myself soon. Went to a junk yard couldn't find any h23 or f22a6 parts or anything
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