hey guys as you know i'm trying to get into hdpe and collecting my suspension parts before i go tracking the car *i want to make sure everything is in tip top order* if you guys have a choice which one you go for and why. still debating which one i should buy can someone chime in here with their expericance with both brands,

a little background of my car
92 honda civic hatchback vx with lowering spring that's about it, been auto-xing for years now with the setup, i want to upgrade my suspension prior to the hdpe this summer

and yes i will uprgrade my rotors and brake pads,fluids braided stainless lines too i'm doing it one thing a a time. so be gentle with me

 

Ok Gentle because subframe braces, and swaybars have been covered lots of times.
You didnt search, and we should send the midget named Frank to your house so he can shave off your eyebrows.
Run the car the way it is right now. Do the above upgrades with tires, brakes and fluids.. but.
Dont spend money on go fast parts until you learn to drive the car like you stole it bone stock.

Eventually you will need a subframe brace to accompany a rear sway bar.
But dont go building a track car until you learn to drive the car stock.
ASR and Progress do make some good products, which a good majority of us use so you cant go wrong there.


FYI I have Frank on speedial!

 

Exactly how long must one drive a car before it becomes acceptable to ask how to upgrade it?

 

i actually did a search and i only found this https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...ogress+swaybar but didn't really got the answers i was looking for , unless you guys find another link pertaining to my question post the link up here, i know it's been talk about over and over again but i can't seem to find links for it

 

I have used them both and they are both very good. Are you talking about the ASR 24mm or 32mm?
I have used the progress for years since they are a great partner I had the opportunity. After my experience grew I did end up trying the ASR 32mm however because it gave me what I needed in certain areas that the 24mm bar didnt. Start with any 24mm and get comfy with that.

 

First let's look at the modifications you have to the car... lowering springs... trash those and get a properly valved set of Bilstein or Koni to any spring set you feel will work for you. If you get yourself some sway bars you're going to throw off the balance off the car in a bad way. FIRST upgrade your suspension, then get rid of your rotted bushings, THEN worry about what sway bars you want to run.

You don't need to upgrade your rotors. You WILL need some DOT4 fluid and new lines (stainless or rubber). I'd guess you're car from 1992 is running the same brake lines that came from the factory. I would suggest getting some upgraded pads to deal with increased heat from the track. Any pad that is described as a mild track or more aggressive pad will work.

Is this a daily driver or a track only car? If a daily driver I wouldn't recommend getting a race spring set as you'll hate life on the road.

However, your initial question is a bit vague...

You're saying ASR swaybar AND subframe brace? Or just the subframe brace? What size and type of bar? ASR makes several different bars.

Anti-roll bar AntiSway bar is the same thing, but no mention of a subframe brace. What size were you looking at? Anything more than 14mm will require a subframe brace (not just the swaybar backing plate supprots) or you might see tearing in the subframe.
I run 570/400 f/r on my rally car with a 22/24mm sway f/r for tarmac events which deal with a lot rougher road conditions and I liked how the car handled on a track day. Still pretty stiff for a daily driver.

 

When you can't go any faster with what you have and you learn how to drive on a track.
Let's face it , we all wanted to be the fastest the first time out, we wanted to show everyone in our group that we were the best thing out there. And once on the track there was so much information to remember that going fast was not possible. It takes a while to get comfortable with what you are doing out there.
Even for guys that are in racing series is sometimes good that from time to time we go back to basics and just drive a street car on the track.
I like to feel how different it is from the race car.
Recently I had the chance to test and drive 8 different brands of cars around WSIR and then drive my race car. Boy I had fun with those cars.

 

i'm thinking of getting the 24mm first
sorry for the confusion swaybar with braces for both lol, and no this car is not a dd i only drive it to an event or a sunday drive once in a while

 

billy i'm ditching my springs for coilovers in the coming months just to be clear here

 

If I were you, I did this once, I would call the nice people at Progress. Tell them what you have, tell them what you will do with it, and tell them your experience and goals are. They will give you a very affordable setup best for you from sway bars to coils. Talk to Ed.

 

When you're ready to buy, I would also look into Eibach's new 25.4 sway bar for the eg/dc. its pretty beefy, but it also has 3 different settings to fine tune your over/understeer. not to mention they are made in the USA and have a million mile warranty.

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/viewP...6&idcategory=0

 

thanks for the link will look into that , and for the coilovers i already have something in mind what to get, but thank you for the suggestions guys

 

This is sooooo the truth.
Auto X and RR are not the same.

Big difference between using 3 gears, and using 5 or 6.
A cars characteristics change greatly with speed,elevation etc...

 

Fixed lol


I was going to say the same thing, drive the car in good working condition and get used to it the way it sits. The first event you do you should start to notice if the car is pushing or a list of other areas you feel are lacking.

I did about 5 events on my suspension before changing it. 8 more events and now I want to change some other items to better suit me.

I also currently run Progress custom coilovers I talked to ED about. The downside is they are not adjustable, I hope they offer something adjustable at some point.

Progress makes very good products in my experience with them, ASR is very good and is something I will eventually replace my beaks support with.

 

Why would you go with anything other than the ASR?
It's been proven to WORK and work very well.
Comes with the subframe brace.
AND
You have the option to upgrade to the 32mm hollow bar later on if you want.

It's a no-brainer choice IMHO.

 

This true but the progress i'm looking at is alot cheaper compare to asr and I don't see myself getting the 32mm bar anytime soon

 

Good Points above!

I was giving the the benefit of using all three gears ......

The ASR would be my first choice since they have the versatility of upgrading, and not changing everything out.
But for right now im happy with my ITR sway bar and Comptech subframe brace.

 

<----asr brace, jdm itr bar. if your just starting out, it ain't gonna matter.